of your creature Nellie general yes
we'll be sporting a general action
because we want to get Boris Johnson out
by Christmas we've avoided a no deal
budget that's been taken off the table
because the EU have extended the
deadline to 31st of January that means
Boris Johnson was deep and trustworthy
can't
therefore pushes out on a No Deal breaks
it during a general election campaign so
Jeremy has made it clear Jon McDonald's
made it clear the team has decided that
we'll be bucking a general election
because we can't leave these Tories in
power any longer than so much damage
across the country in terms of austerity
public services and we've got a
manifesto of hope that'll deliver a
better society for everyone in our
country so we'll up for the fight and we
believe we're going to win it we believe
we can make Boris Johnson the shortest
serving Prime Minister since a guy
called via count Godric he was Prime
Minister finished 144 days in 1827 so we
want to see Boris Johnson writing its
Christmas cards from a country retreat
that's not called checkers we're gonna
get him out second ask if there's any
further caveats of your heart for
example the date or votes for 16 year
olds will be pushing to get votes for 16
year olds will be pushing to allow EU
nationals who can votes in other
elections to be able to vote in this
general election but even if even if we
don't get those things we really want
when it pushed comes to shove we're
gonna support a general election because
people in our country deserve better
than Boris Johnson and the Tories they
believe they're born to rule they're
going to now found out that they're not
on the 12th the ninth waiver virus
Johnson puts forward we just want a
general election we want to get them out
before Christmas that's what we've
decided we're going to support today
that's what we'll support fighting talk
they're from the shadow Justice
Secretary Richard Bergen also looking at
some tweets reacting to this momentum
saying labour are officially backing an
election saying this is the opportunity
of a lifetime but of course not all
Labour MPs and labor activists feel
exactly that way
let's talk to our assistant political
editor Norman Smith is in the central
lobby in the houses of parliament
yes let's pick up on that first of all
Norman how much reticence is there do
you think if you were to try to divvy
this up how much reticence is there
within labor about an election versus
support and that kind of fighting talk
that we heard there I mean the blunt
truth is it depends who you talk to if
you talk to pro corbin mps
on the labor side they take the view
that as a campaigner mr corbyn has the
ability to turn around the polls so they
are pretty gung-ho about an election if
you talk iraq talk to corbin skeptics
they are deeply worried about where this
is leading and I think they will vote
for this election with deep deep
misgivings not just because they fear
what might happen in an election but
because they take the view that the SNP
and the Liberal Democrats are now the
Labour Party have made a catastrophic
mistake by going along with an election
when in their view it would have been
better just to bide their time to keep
dragging things out and in the end they
believed they would have got to the holy
grail of another referendum that now
appears to have been taken off the table
unless you were to see a victory for mr.
Corbin or for Joe Swenson or a remain
majority in the next parliament so I
think many many labour folk will be
approaching this election with a high
degree of trepidation albeit those
around mr. Corbin take the view they
have a manifesto which they think will
reach out beyond if you like the brexit
argument that it is a set of policies
which will appeal to a country frankly
weary with austerity and if they can
shift the election away from just being
a brexit election to being an election
about austerity then they believe it's
game on and they have a realistic chance
the danger of course is as we've seen
over the previous months indeed years
brexit has obliterated everything and it
strikes me as very very difficult with
brexit still unresolved to just take
that out of the hill
election sort of headlights and so the
hard part it seems to me for labor is
trying to get the focus onto their
message on austerity and away from
brexit yes that's an interesting point
you make Norman is this going to be a
referendum by proxy or something
altogether broader I'm just talking
about next any referendum endermans that
might happen for example one to extend
the franchise to younger voters how
could that affect the pace of things
well if there was an amendment passed to
extend the franchise to 16 and 17-year
olds that would knock out the December
election why because to put in place the
necessary changes to ensure all 16 and
17 year olds could have a vote would
probably take best part of a year so the
view in government is that it is a
wracking amendment designed to kibosh a
December election and interestingly when
we were just talking to Tom break there
I got the clear impression from him that
although I think it's late Liberal
Democrat policy they won't be supporting
it because they believe it would in
effect make the idea of a December
election a no-no so if the Lib Dems
don't support it I can't see it getting
carried to be honest so it would seem to
me the prospects of succeeding on that
are pretty limited so it's going to come
down to I think a straightforward choice
labor are clearly I think prepared to
accept any date they're not particularly
bothered whether it's December 9 10 11
12 I'd like it to be earlier but we
heard from Richard Bergen there saying
no we'll take any date we can to get rid
of Boris Johnson and let's be clear for
mr. Johnson it's a huge gamble to
because he's going into a winter
election there will be questions about
turnout in the dark and in the cold how
will that play with older voters who
predominantly yes did back brexit how
will it play with people who don't
always vote again people who did come
out in the referendum to back brexit so
there are question marks about whether
turnout was disproportionately harm the
pro brexit vote there's also a question
mark about whether voters will feel a
bit cheesed off
about having to go to the polls again
whether the likes of Brenda will be
popping arms
there's just the sheer electoral
uncertainty of what will happen in
Scotland the tourists seem poised there
possibly to lose most of their seats
what will happen in southern remain
constituencies will they hemorrhage to
the Liberal Democrats and will they
really be able to pick up labour leave
seats where Labour MPs are sitting on
humongous majorities so for Boris
Johnson it is a huge gamble and above
all he goes into the election having
failed to deliver on do-or-die so it is
not a foregone conclusion that Boris
Johnson is on to win this election the
stakes are still enormous Lehigh for him
well Norman it's going to be a
remarkable contest to watch unfold at
Norman Smith there in the lobby central
lobby of the houses apartment thank you
very much