UKRAINE. LET'S CONTINUE NOW
WITH AND RECALLS HE WAS
RUSSIA'S FOREIGN MINISTER FROM
1991 TO 1996. HE'S ALSO THE
AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR, THE FIRE
BURNED MISTER ZARIF. WELCOME
TO THE PROGRAM. GOOD TO HAVE
YOU WITH US.
>> THANK YOU SO. IT'S MY
POSITION. I WOULD LOVE TO GET
YOUR SENSE OF THE MENTALITY.
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND HIS
STRATEGY. I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING IS HE
RATIONAL? IS HE ALL THERE. WHY
WOULD HE DO SOMETHING THAT
DOESN'T MAKE SO MUCH SENSE AND
AND TO ME AT LEAST THAT FEELS
LIKE A VERY WESTERN DEMOCRACY.
LENS ON A VERY DIFFERENT KIND
OF CULTURE THAT IS TOO NARROW
TO FULLY UNDERSTAND SOMEONE
WHO DOESN'T VIEW THE WORLD THE
WAY WE VIEW IT IN THE UNITED
STATES. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF
THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND
WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS DOING
RIGHT NOW.
>> OF ALL. I AGREE WITH YOU,
BUT YOUR ANALYSIS AND THEY CAN
TO THAT. FLORIDA IN A NORMAL PERSON, BE IT. THEY ARE HERE.
PERSON, BE IT. THEY ARE HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE BECAUSE
SHE THE IS THAT FROM IN OCEAN
TO SEE THINK AND ALL. I BEEN
GOLD TABLES AS YOU SEE EVEN
SPEAK IN. SHE IS A ASSOCIATES
IT'S HE GETS I THINK WE
DISTANCE BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID
HE'S A ISOLATED AND THAT HE IS
DELUSIONAL. P HE HAS NO OVER
ENTITY IS THAT IN THE RUSSIAN
OR IN THE UKRAINE WHERE SHE
SAW OF IT VERY QUICK AND EASY.
THEY DIDN'T AND DID NOT EXPECT
THAT THERE TO BE A UKRAINIAN
NATION AND THIS NATION WILL
DEFEND ITSELF. HE THAT THE
WEST, THE UNITED STATES THAT COULD THEN AND THAT THEY WILL
COULD THEN AND THAT THEY WILL
SPENT 4 OF THE ARMS. SO. IT A
GENIUS LIKE SOME PEOPLE SAY IT
WILL HERE IN AMERICA. THEN OR
IS IN THE SUN.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE
CALLED THIS WAR DISASTROUS.
AND I HEAR THE REASONS THAT
YOU JUST GIVEN, INCLUDING
PERHAPS DRAMATICALLY
UNDERESTIMATING THE RESOLVE OF
THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE IN TERMS
OF THE END GAME AS A PLUS
PRESIDENT. PUTIN MIGHT SEE IT.
WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR
OTHER GUESTS, INCLUDING ONE
WHO'S COMING UP A LITTLE BIT
LATER. BUT THIS IS ALL KIND OF
PART OF AN EFFORT TO SORT OF
BREE REBUILD THE GLORY OF THE
SOVIET UNION. A RE OR BRING
THAT BACK TO IN THE HEIGHT OF
ITS STRENGTH, AT LEAST AS HE
SEES IT. YOU WERE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION IN THE YEARS
RIGHT AFTER THE FALL OF THE
SOVIET UNION. CAN YOU TALK
MORE ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF
WHAT IT IS THAT HE MIGHT BE
ENVISIONING OR IMAGINING OR OR
TRYING TO BRING BACK AS THE
SEASON.
>> YES, IT THIS IS ALSO A FROM
SOVIET UNION.
>> WAS IT'S ON THAT. SHE WAS
OF OR LET'S OF CLAY. OF TODAY
IS A IT LOOKED LIKE JUST IT
WAS REALLY MOMENT. IT WAS
STILL BIG BEND THEM OWN OIL
AND GAS EXPORTS OF THE TIME.
AND THE QUESTION IS WITH THE
DEFENDANT, BUT IT WILL BE MORE
THE BELIEVE THE LAW OFF THE 20
YEARS A PRESIDENT WHICH ENDS
IT'S TOO ONE DEPENDENT ON
EXPORTS OVERALL WITH OF THEM
TO SOVIET WAS AND THAT DOES
LOOK PRODUCE ANYTHING LIKE
SOMEBODY DOING DID NOT PRODUCE
ANYTHING BUT A BOOK THAT AND
GO AND PRESIDENT BIDEN IS UP
TO GO BACK TO A DAY. AND IN
PART WHAT GOT RUSSIAN WANT TO
GO OTHER WHAT THIS. AND THEN
IT'S AGAIN, IT'S IDEA THAT THE
SOVIET WAS A BETTER GUY. SOME
I GREW UP IN THE SOVIET. DO
THEM AND THE THERE TOO. 42 A
LITTLE BIT AND THAT. AND YOU
KNOW, WAS LITTLE I'M MUCH IMPRESSED AND WHEN ICE TRUST
IMPRESSED AND WHEN ICE TRUST
VISIT AND IF FOREIGN WE ARE IN
I WILL THE PEOPLE JUST FOR PEOPLE ON THE GOOD A TO TO GO
PEOPLE ON THE GOOD A TO TO GO
TO SUPERMARKET TO CHOOSE WANT
TO. YOU KNOW, AWAY IN THE
SOVIET UNION. YOU DID CHOOSE
AS WELL, BUT WILL. WE'RE
ASKING FOR LOOK FOR SHE IS A
SOMETHING FOOD.
>> I WONDER IF I COULD GET YOU
TO RESPOND IN THE TIME WE HAVE
LEFT US SOMETHING WE HEARD
FROM AVRIL HAINES WAS THE U.S.
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE ABOUT NUCLEAR
WEAPONS WILL TALK MORE ABOUT
THIS IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT I'D
LIKE TO GET YOUR REACTION TO
SOMETHING THAT SHE SAID DURING
A SENATE HEARING YESTERDAY.
WATCH.
>> AS GENERAL MATTER, AS I
INDICATED, WERE OBVIOUSLY.
VERY CONCERNED. ONE MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE MONITORING
EVERYTHING MAY BE GOING ON
WITH RESPECT TO RUSSIA'S
STRATEGIC NUCLEAR FORCES.
>> I WONDER JUST BRIEFLY WHAT
YOU MAKE OF THE SABER
RATTLING. THE VLADIMIR PUTIN
MADE AND E ONE OF THIS
INVASION WHERE HE BASICALLY
SAID WE'RE IN NUCLEAR POWER.
YOU GUYS BETTER NOT MESS WITH
US. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
POTENTIAL FOR SOME KIND OF A
LARGER NUCLEAR THREAT FROM ALL
OF US.
>> THEY DON'T WHICH IN NO LESS
WE WILL. TO THE UNITED STATES
WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. WITH
NEED BE THAT. AND THAT MEANS
THEY TO IN THIS KIND OF
EXCHANGE HE SHOULD BE SUICIDE,
THOUGH, BECAUSE IT IS SO THE
SIDE, THOUGH, BECAUSE HE
RECEIVE IN MOORE WAS FOR
OCEANS AND THERE IS NO WAY TO
SURVIVE. SO. BUT HE DOES NOT SERIOUS. I DON'T THINK HE
SERIOUS. I DON'T THINK HE
LOOKS AT INSURANCE BECAUSE HE
IS MUST GO TO SCHOOL. COURSE,
ABOUT A BIT. SHE IS BRIGHT
WERE SO IT'S APPROPRIATE CAKE
AND SHE IS GOING TO BE HE
STARTS HIS PATIENTS. SAID
HIMSELF LIKE IN IN POOL THEIR
YOU KNOW, THIS GUY DOES LIKE
SUICIDE. THE WILL TO MEET HIM.
SHE SAYS 2 GOALTENDERS AND
GOING TO SO. AND AGAIN, LITTLE
SILLY SIDE, THOUGH, FOR SOME
ICY, BUT THEY SEE SOMEONE
WANTS TO IT. INTIMATE. THEY
INTIMIDATE UKRAINIANS AND
THAT'S WHY HE IS WILL WEAPONS AND THIS THROUGH. AND YOU KNOW
AND THIS THROUGH. AND YOU KNOW
WHAT, A UP FRONT THAT TIME AND
THE THAT HE'S MORE AFRAID OF
WAR, THEN. SHOW. THE WILL BE
YOU TOO BIG.
>> UNDER A CAUSE OR IF
RUSSIA'S FOREIGN MINISTER FROM
1990 TO 1996. APPRECIATE YOU
MAKING TIME FOR US TONIGHT,
SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT