>>> ALABAMA’S NEW ABORTION LAW, THE STRICT’S IN OUREST IN OUR CO
ROE VERSUS WADE.
THAT’S WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO
DO.
DO. GOVERNOR KAY IVY SIGNED THIS
LAW.
LAW. THE ONLY EXCEPTION HERE IS IF
THE MOTHER’S LIFE IS IN
JEOPARDY.
JEOPARDY. IT’S SIMILAR TO BILLS IN
GEORGIA, OHIO, MISSISSIPPI,
KENTUCKY EXCEPT IT GOES FURTHER.
THIS LAW DOES NOT INCLUDE
EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE AND INSIST
AND CARRIES A FELONY CHARGE FOR
DOCTORS PUNISHABLE BY A SENTENCE
OF UP TO 99 YEARS IN PRISON.
LET BE FRANK AND PUT THIS
ANOTHER WAY.
ANOTHER WAY. A RAPIST IN ALABAMA WILL GET A
LIGHTER SENTENCE THAN THE DOCTOR
CALLED TO END AN UNWANTED
PREGNANCY THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM
THE RAPE.
THE RAPE. THIS WILL BE CHALLENGED IN COURT
WHICH IS ULTIMATELY THE POINT.
>> SO IN OUR MIND, IN MY MIND,
THIS BILL IS TO ADDRESS ROE
VERSUS WADE AND TO LET HOPEFULLY
THAT DECISION GO BACK TO THE
STATES SO THAT STATES CAN MAKE
THE LAWS THAT ARE MOST
APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR PEOPLE.
>> AND BEFORE OUR CONVERSATION
HERE TONIGHT, JUST A REMINDER OF
WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STAND
ON THIS ISSUE.
ACCORDING TO THIS GAP GALLUP
POLL, 79% OF ADULTS SAY ABORTION
SHOULD BE LEGAL.
WE WELCOME PROFESSOR OF LAW AT
NYU, FORMER CLERK TO THEN JUDGE
SONIA SOCIETY TO MINORY AND TEST
KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION HEARINGS
AND STEPHANIE, PRESIDENT OF
EMILY’S LIST, AN ORGANIZATION
THAT WORKS TO ELECT DEMOCRATIC
WOMEN WHO SUPPORT REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS.
RIGHTS. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO YOU
BOTH.
BOTH. COUNSELOR, I WANT TO START HERE
IN NEW YORK BY SHOWING YOU WHAT
JEFF TOOBIN SAID ON CNN AND
HAVING YOU REACT TO IT.
>> DONALD TRUMP SAID IN THE
THIRD DEBATE WITH HILLARY
CLINTON, IF I GET TWO OR MORE
APPOINTMENTS TO THE SUPREME
COURT, AUTOMATICALLY THAT’S THE
WORD HE USED, AUTOMATICALLY ROE
V WADE WILL BE OVERTURNED AND I
THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS EXACTLY
RIGHT.
RIGHT. ROE V WADE IS GONE AND EVERY
WOMAN IN ALABAMA WHO GETS
PREGNANT IS GOING TO BE FORCED
TO GIVE BIRTH SOON AND THAT THE
GOING TO BE TRUE IN ALABAMA AND
IT’S GOING TO BE TRUE IN
MISSOURI AND IT’S GOING TO BE
TRUE PROBABLY IN GEORGIA AND
THAT’S WHAT THE LAW IS BECAUSE
THAT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION WAS ABOUT IN PART LAST
TIME.
TIME. >> AGREE OR DISAGREE AND WHY?
>> SO I DISAGREE SLIGHTLY.
I THINK JEFF TOOBIN IS RIGHT
PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE A PATROL
MIS
MIS -- PROMISE TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE HE WOULD APPOINT PEOPLE
THAT WOULD OVERTURN ROWERERE VER
WADE AND THE CHIEF CARD IS JOHN
ROBERTS THROUGHOUT HIS TENURE AS
CHIEF JUSTICE MADE CLEAR THAT HE
TAKES VERY SERIOUSLY THE
INSTITUTIONAL REPUTATION OF THE
COURT.
COURT. IF THE COURT IS SEEN AS OVERLY
PARTISAN AS BEING CAPTURED BY
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
ADMINISTRATION, THAT’S NOT
GREAT.
GREAT. THE COURT IS HOBBLED BY THE
DEBACLE OF THE KAVANAUGH HEARING
AND THERE IS A WIDE SWATH THAT
THINKS THE COURT IS PARTISAN TO
DECIDE A QUESTION LIKE THE
CONTINUED VIABILITY OF ROWE
VERSUS WADE WOULD GIVE SOME
PAUSE TO CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS
AND AGAIN, WE’VE SEEN THAT IN
OTHER CASES FROM THIS TERM AND I
THINK WE’RE LIKELY TO SEE IT
GOING FORWARD.
GOING FORWARD. THAT THE NOT
THAT’S NOT TO SAY ABORTION IS IN
THE CLEAR.
THE CLEAR. I THINK WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE
IS THE COURT TAKINGKREE
INCREATE MENTAL STEPS TO HALLOW
OUT ROE AND I’M NOT SURE THAT’S
A GOOD OUTCOME FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IN FACT, OVER RULING ROE WOULD
HAVE A GALVANIZING ATTACK THAT
WOULD TAKE THIS INTO THE 2020
ELECTION AND PUT IT INTO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THAT’S WHAT
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS DOESN’T
WANT.
WANT. >> THAT’S FOR SURE.
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE
INTERSECTION OF POLITICS AND LAW
AND FOR YOU, I’M GOING TO PLAY A
GRADUATE OF THE YALE LAW SCHOOL
NAMED PAT ROBERTS.
>> I THINK ALABAMA HAS GONE TOO
FAR.
FAR. THEY PASSED A LAW THAT WOULD
GIVE A 99-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE
TO PEOPLE THAT COMMIT ABORTION.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE
OR INSIST.
OR INSIST. IT AN EXTREME LAW AND THEY WANT
IT CHALLENGED ROE VERSUS WADE
BUT MY HUMBLE VIEW IS THAT THIS
IS NOT THE CASE WE WANT TO BRING
TO THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE I
THINK THIS ONE WILL LOSE.
>> PAT ROBERTS’ SON, YALE LAW
SCHOOL GRADUATE, NONETHELESS.
SO STEPHANIE, THAT’S AN
INTERESTING NOTION THAT THIS
PIECE OF LEGISLATION HAND CARVED
TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT IS IN
HIS VIEW EVEN TOO SEVERE.
>> THE TRUTH IS THAT THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY IS COMPLETELY
FOCUSED ON FIGURING OUT HOW TO
OVERTURN ROE V WADE.
THAT IS THE IMPORTANT PART OF
THIS.
THIS. THIS ALABAMA BILL NOW LAW IS
CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND SO
DAMAGING FOR WOMEN.
THERE ARE LAWS COMING OUT OF
GEORGIA, OUT OF OHIO, OUT OF MIS
MISSISSIPPI.
MISSISSIPPI. WE HAD OVER 30 PASSED BY
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES.
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES. ANTI CHOICE, TRUMP LEGISLATURES
THAT ARE DRIVING THIS TO
OVERTURN ROE.
OVERTURN ROE. I THINK WHAT’S MOST IMPORTANT
HERE IS THE NUMBER YOU STARTED
WITH.
WITH. 7 9% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT
ROE V WADE SHOULD STAND OF LAW
OF THE LAND AS IT IS TODAY, AND
SO FOR THE MOMENT OF
GALVANIZING, I BELIEVE WHAT
HAPPENED YESTERDAY IN ALABAMA,
WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK IN
GEORGIA HAS IGNITED A NEW FIRE
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY IN SO MANY
WOMEN AND MEN WHO CARE VERY,
VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THIS AND WANT
TO ENSURE THAT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS
TO REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE.
THEY ARE TRYING TO BAN ABORTION
COMPLETELY THAT IS NOT WHERE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE AND I DO
THINK THIS WILL BE A MAJOR ISSUE
IN THE 2020 ELECTION AND WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT ELECTION THAT I
BELIEVE COULD BE AN ELECTRET OF
54% WOMEN AND I THINK WE’RE
GOING TO SEE HIGHER TURNOUT OVER
THIS.
THIS. HERE IS THE BIGGER POINT.
IT NOT JUST ABOUT POLITICS.
WOMEN ARE GETTING HURT.
RIGHT NOW IN STATES WHERE THERE
IS BARELY ANY ACCESS ALREADY AND
WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT
THE POLICY MAKERS SITTING AT OUR
DECISION MAKING TABLES MAKING
THESE LAWS AND IT’S FOR US TO
STAND UP AND FIND THE GOOD
CANDIDATES WHO ARE GOING TO
FIGHT FOR REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE
AND FIGHT FOR WOMEN AND HOLD
THESE FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE.
LEGISLATURES MATTER AND I THINK
EVERY VOTER IN THIS COUNTRY HAS
TO THINK ABOUT WHO IS
REPRESENTING THEM TODAY AND I’M
PROUD TO BE AT AN ORGANIZATION
COMPLETELY COAL MITT LYLY COMMIT
PRO-CHOICE WOMEN AND WE NEED IT
MORE THAN EVER AND IT TILE.
>> COUNSELOR, TAKE 30 SECONDS.
WHEN TOOBIN SAYS WOMEN HAVE TO
CARRY A PREGNANCY TO MATERIALTER
EXPLAIN TO OUR VIEWERS, DOES
THIS SUPERSEDE IN ANY STATES THE
LAW OF THE LAND UNTIL AND UNLESS
THERE CAN BE A CHALLENGE TO THE
HOLDING OF ROE VERSUS WADE?
>> SO IN STATES THAT HAVE MORE
LIBERAL ABORTION LAWS, THOSE
LAWS WERE MADE IN PLACE.
TERRY COLLINS WHO IS THE ALABAMA
LEGISLATURE WHO INTRODUCED THIS
BILL SAID THE WHOLE POINT OF
THIS IS TO MAKE LAWS APPROPRIATE
FOR THE PEOPLE AND CITIZENRY OF
EACH STATE.
EACH STATE. THIS IS ALABAMA’S TAKE ON IT.
IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT
INDIVIDUALS IN NEW YORK.
THAT SAID, THERE WILL BE A LOT
OF REPRODUCTIVE TOURISM IF THIS
LAW GOES INTO EFFECT IN ALABAMA
AND BY THAT, YOU’LL SEE WOMEN IN
ALABAMA BECOMING REPRODUCTIVE
REFUGEES FLEEING TO OTHER STATES
THAT ARE MORE LIBERAL AND MORE
ACCOMMODATING LAWS.
ACCOMMODATING LAWS. THIS CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE.
STEPHANIE IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS AND
ACTIVITY THAT WE’VE SEEN AROUND
ABORTION IN THIS TERM HAS REALLY
BEEN ABOUT THIS CHANGE IN
CLIMATE.
CLIMATE. THEY ANTICIPATE A MORE