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red ash announce a red ash is a Kickstarter from
kg in a few days company and been pretty unique
there's nothing there's there's only concept or rain now and its
people are calling it like a spiritual successor to Mega Man Legends which we
haven't seen since
Playstation one basically
mmm so what is your take on red ash
well you know if if the timing i think is my knee
biggest issue on this now II love
I haven't played the Mega Man Legends games
Drake 30 I think I did play a me know and like sorta renting them from
Blockbuster
you know while ago but I did like the show your request again
yeah I now heiney feeling older and older by that point
your point yes there is this thing called blockbuster we go and rent video
games ladies and gentlemen
arm nights before was nothing is
exactly the thing is is though it the timing here is
is interesting cuz he just came up the Shan mu Kickstarter
and the thing is is that my number nine his other
arm sorta we know Kickstarter word isn't released yet UN
unfortunately when you take a look at like sum up the initial concept art
love I mighty number nine verse is what it is now
you know they're is that sorta you know hold on a sec and
maybe we shouldn't be kick starting a second you know game by the guy
especially because
okay where the profits of the gaming question going in terms a mighty number
nine
why isn't that being used to sorta kicks you know push on
the red ash kicks are you Kickstarter is a just war
ally kick-start his that I've seen lately I've been more so for
notes or two that who is the audience there
I did they talk about their Shenmue and
I feel like this is the same portion of it but
you know but the in millimeters I we already have
people interested in their types a product projects ok
yeah did well it I can understand this one a little bit because you have to
remember Mega Man Legends 3 was cancelled by Capcom recently
in the last two years and Dec did get a big backlash though
I'm I do remember /url I think may be of a magasin
making a video on that by you know people were upset especially with you
know
Mega Man in Capcom's eyes is Anna what they're thinking about Mega Man a metal
over there by I don't they don't think I may diminish
a widget which which is sad although they they're coming out with the
anniversary
good re-election irony yeah that irony
or as super civically close to my number man I wonder if they're
working of something a bite
in the
you know I look at the serb art for am I and II medially reminded of Legends
I'll play it blight you know i i again i just think it's bad timing and
especially with people
you know sort have already serve a little bit hesitant on Kickstarter stop
with all the stuff that's being here in kick-starting Lee Lee
and some other failures a Kickstarter you know over the last couple years
well it it actually shows because it's five days in
and its it's only like one third of their goal
which we've which is the the opposite of what has been happening lately they've
been
other companies and even probably my number nine were smashing their goals
like instantly
because health and mana flooding kicks order at this point
a makes you know it does concern me in seeing me know these big titles
especially because again
I do sorta wanna see sort of a rule on Kickstarter that like a few until you've
deliver your first text ardor
I don't think it's really smart did allow for a second wind down surprises
heslin the hatch
i mean there are still I don't know the exact details but there are things to
protect backers
on projects don't go through I think bites
yeah it connects storytellers within the last six months all while
early how can you start a second-year starter before the first one is even
you know the product is even released from it
you have no sense that you do don't know what the quality is at that point I mean
and unfortunately and again especially with you know again we've seen kick
stories
bail miserably now there have been kickstarter is that have done well
by hockey was in his video games
am by all that silence your YouTube shop
but I like lou Charmelle night chill tonight is the prime exact yeah
example where day they knew what they were doing it if they were to come out
with another Kickstarter yeah I would immediately look at it because I know
this is the quality that day showed with back Kickstarter
here I have no bearing okay you have some artwork
I sometimes I wonder how necessary is it though
because like I've seen some much smaller TechStars by late very late probably
like for schemer second game companies
and their Kickstarter feels but they still make the game anyway
and release it now the results you know are no it's goodbye pledge
did they really need the kids are in the first place was that you know with
attempt to Canada get people to purchase early be
which generally access almost
the eighteen yeah you know i i keep on hearing the idea that
it's used to sorta probe the target audience whether or not there is a
is a want for the game in question and
while there well that I see that to be
somewhat true the idea here being that
you know once people get their money down you know during the situation
whether it's whether they back to completely or the back that halfway
you know it's it's now I really can't really play all you can really use as a
test bed I think
I don't think that's the best idea in
that's part of the I think issue in question I think
like I'd like it's a go like the whole Shenmue Kickstarter
effect they're not making a game for 1.5 million
there in the eighth that's not possible eight by
it can room sort of show the sorta wander the game
and men other investors come in and say okay I'm willing to put my money down
in terms are you know maybe better bennett better
com benefits for the developer in question I could see like those one
kicks urs that failed maybe they do get
an outside source but did the store dove
cost in terms of the return on investment for them
may be higher in terms up maybe instead of taking like you know twenty percent
and the
the sales they take about 40 percent and
you know that could be mmm unfavorable to the developer in question by
email it does concern me especially with like
I see nomadic stretch goals in Kickstarter and I i any they actually
take a look to see what
red ashes stretch goals are where I'm sitting there like looking at the
Shenmue one in being like you're adding an entire
you know new gameplay system for basically
fifty thousand dollars I don't think that's going to work
in my head in terms i love arm cost in development for
verses output by
their shiny little you know sort of Nuggets for people to be like oh I
you know this game gets you know this additional feature sometimes I wonder if
it goes too far
and what was that what was on there is in the news lately i'm looking at their
stretch goals it's
for more episodes basically
interesting
intending to hear the sonic it yet is the
the
in a progressively
23 the first one
and action adventure RPG and episodic form
so back okay attenuates could see that
I am NOT is subject you go ahead I'm
night be on the X we're getting a lot into the text or what do you think is
the potential the actual game
you know i i don't think it has the wide
appeal that another game can have a must be really Evelyn
you know go into a new evolution of the sort out in it like that the
Avenger John R the action genre in that sort of third persons or
exploratory RPG format here I
day wondering what it is like it will be open world
you know i mean to a certain extent legends
was an open-world I mean it it mean that deppen
two places she believes that hard to compare mike was open world games addict
and
I'm I just ran I'm trying to think I've would would be the modern day
I mean it's not I mean the Mondays not like Fallout it's not like
Skyrim I mean what's a modern-day open world game
a quintessential example so are you saying oh yeah I'm just trying to think
a bit
in terms of Legends what is that it would be the closest
in terms my met they don't imagine that's that's what actually
may be curious they don't there isn't really any open world games like that as
far as I can think of
like all the open world games like Assassin's Creed yet fallout you know
those tho so so those very hardcore games like nintendo has a really make
any
maybe something I see no bleed or something but even as really an RPG
a home please you know please
I may not be the best person to talk about them
but that's a that's a major I does so that this you know interesting
in that regard but seems it's going to be a piss on it actually is
that will be very complex a very to bit like an open rule that the cytokine it's
probably action linear
cool which which again would then the RPG format
at me im ivory now I'm trying to think about this so
look if you're in an episodic format and like
you have an RPG Disney I'm assuming that you have to get away with the crack are
you know
do away with grinding his weapons we go to the second episode and you find
yourself under level
I mean do you somehow go back to the first episode in play that and then it
will go back to the second or
no idea just be
and imagine it's not so much love running instance probably be different
approach
or are we talking are you know when they mean up a site do they mean episodic in
terms of like almost like an MMO type a thing where
you have your base world and in the second episode is like soda
you know that allows denied for open world if they were open world there
would be like that then it would be like the second episode is almost like a new
you know addition to it
like everything's highlighted in a different way
and his new levels in only certain areas but that they could that would be really
complex I don't know if they could pull that off
it seems like it's gonna be very story-driven cuz it's like the man said
an inspired game it's a
is like watching the concept art watching the the scene that they had set
up
it's very like story-driven animation like this impression I got
I'm the me think about it let me know cooney in the way that
a I mean it's completely different game well maybe completely different but
that game like it look like an animate like if somebody walked in the room
while you're playing it they might think you're watching an enemy
you know what I mean like Nigeria seamless in their nature an issue I'd
it could draw some influence from that
oh yeah I mean especially I'm you always at Studio
it was the one by like spirited away their work done Tom
me know kuhn et so yeah definitely that animates Tyler
it's definitely something that could work you know I keep on going back to
why did Capcom
cancel Legends 3 debate by find that the
audience wasn't there I'm %um you the it's all financial they have to fall in
line with with the with the other companies do financially that they
probably calculated that
they could not make a big did make a bigger profit pushing out into the
street fighter
variation than they would doing I mean we left but that's that's what it comes
to
and Amin
the funny thing is that you know it we're weak we circle back to Kickstarter
we've seen that there is definitely a want for games like mighty number nine
and you know bloodstain in the old castle Vania stop
the question will be whether or not they actually do critically well in germany a
green card terms a sales
goes yeah how you have a core-based the definitely wanted
but whether or not that's yeah that there are not enough justice like you
know
I mean I don't know what the numbers are and how many people back these games and
stuff lemme
me see if I could find election me how many people back in
unless you know of an
known got a shindig Shindo has had a fifty thousand backers
so hey you know that I mean it's not the maximum number of people that would buy
the game
but 50,000 like to be sold 50,000 copies
um a modern AAA game like that's but you cannot do that
you know what I mean so the audience in the area it's enough to start the game
but that's what is the Kickstarter but
you know would sell well enough I'm usually I remember those story about
the Tomb Raider reboot everybody love the Tomb Raider reboot and it
it's all pretty well but square unit was saying we make enough money on it
like they were going to make a sequel
that's why that word sorry its origins in the topic your butt
that's why
a.m.
you know the whole thing I mean I don't know the exact details but this poor the
reason why the whole thing Apple Microsoft made a deal there's Center
because need to really make a big
profit of the game is on up to break even
dad and there's the reason I mean that's now what they're in business for EMI and
EMI and it's great baby
it's great to be you know understanding your consumer base and lend
listen to what they want but you know your consumer base in your hard core
consumer base
you have to understand yet it's still a business and you still have to pay
people
and while yeah it sucks that missus only legends for you
you know action movie or or if you wanna see a Mega Man Legends successor this is
an older format as well
you know button
so it just doesn't have the same kind popularity not saying it's bad
you know I'm interested in the game
but it you can it's very difficult to tell how to perform
a and in the
and it's gonna be a situation where you know I wonder
where I get again we're seeing kick-start assert the breakdown in terms
of like
you know people are getting a little bit more concerned a little bit more
concerned even though there was good backing a sham and stuff like that
you're seeing the Kickstarter start
know people starting be like I don't know if I'm gonna get you know
the return on there's which is sad because again
we go back to it shuttle night shovel night may not have been a without a
starter and
lo and behold shovel night was probably one of the best things that have come
out a Kickstarter
maybe ever and sorta change the community
in terms of the you know with some the expectations regarding a platformer
I hope their games like back still live on
widget there niners state 14,000 749 backers pledge
311 502 so that's a lot less Shenmue
ironically but all that is sander it started search probably more popular
since then but
but I mean and then they made they may probably one of the best games that year
with that and are still coming out with new content for it which is it a
moment at the plant a seed is already too right
what they've got some they've they've got it coming to
of physical release they've also got
the plague night I'm sorted Fredo DLC that's coming
the additional campaign a law along with I think
not shield night
gonna say she'll night but that person sound right
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