has the ps5 already killed the
playstation
4. now this is not going to be a fancy
video full of graphics but it's
something that i have been thinking
about a lot the last few days
it all really stems from cyberpunk 2077.
look you've seen the memes at this point
you know
this is a game which looks phenomenal on
a high end or even a mid-range gaming pc
it looks pretty decent on something like
an xbox series x or ps5
but you put it up on an xbox one or ps4
and it looks like garbage town
now of course recently sony took the
very bold step
of straight up removing cyberpunk from
the playstation store
and offering anyone who purchased a
refund and that even goes for the ps5
version because let's not forget
cyberpunk while it is playable on the
ps5 and the series s and the series x
is not really optimized for those
consoles instead that is a version of
the game which is simply
running in backwards compatibility with
a couple of extra tweaks the full
ps5 and series x patches are coming
later
and that's got me thinking previously if
you wind
all the way back to 2013 when the last
gen consoles came out the xbox one and
the ps4
things were very different we were
coming off of a very long historically
a very long console generation with the
ps3 as well as the xbox 360.
those consoles were phenomenal when they
first came out they were
really ahead of the game especially the
ps3 technically
and they had a lot of good years of life
in them
but toward the end 2011 2012 2013
it was very clear that those consoles
were holding back the entire
gaming industry right i mean it was you
could get away with it i mean you look
at games like crysis which were able to
scale from the xbox and from a ps3 all
the way up but
frame rates were terrible it just was
way too much to handle gta 5
ran on the ps3 and the 360 with 512 megs
of ram right i mean that is
crazy talent considering just how
massive that game was
so clearly when the ps4 and when the
xbox one came out
we were in dire need of an upgrade when
it comes to the consoles when it comes
to graphics and just pushing things
forward right
and i don't want to be unfair the ps4
and the xbox one did push things forward
they had a massive improvement in memory
you went from
half a gig to eight gigs of memory it
was much faster on the ps4
that did enable a lot of the much higher
resolution textures in the much larger
worlds
and they did have decent cpus although
really that was
sort of one of the main drawbacks of the
last generation and when you look at how
we've had seven years
of the ps4 and the xbox one there's been
a lot of great games
a lot of games that have finally got
away from that 25 30 fps kind of stuff
that we used to deal with and now
they're running at a smooth 60
not in all cases but i would say a
decent amount of the game to this last
generation were
fairly smooth but now you look at where
we are today
at the end of 2020 these brand new
consoles have all
just launched and i have real doubts
on how long the ps4 and the xbox one
really have left to to be useful
right now if you own a ps4 or an xbox
one you're probably not thrilled about
the idea that your brand new console or
maybe not brand new but your several
year old console is like immediately
becoming obsolete
and i don't think it's going to be that
fast right i mean just purely it's down
to the fact that ps5s and xboxes are all
constrained right now
and it's going to take one two three
years for that install base to be able
to build up to the point
where it is easy and safe for console
developers and everyone to kind of start
moving away
from the last generation of consoles but
unlike previous generations where when
the ps4 and when the xbox one came out
there was some nice looking games but
there weren't a lot of things that
completely blew your mind right i mean
especially when we looked back sort of
in comparison with some of the other
console generation leaps they just
weren't that ambitious right but
when you look at what we've got with the
ps5 and the xbox series x it is a
different story altogether
both of these consoles i'll throw that
series s in there even though it's
slightly
sort of gimped in some ways but both
all these new consoles are very much
equivalent with the best
that the pc space has to offer right a
core
zen two processors right i mean the
processors in these chips alone
on the consoles are equivalent to 200
250
gaming grade cpus on the ryzen side
right the graphics support not only ray
tracing but it's the latest rdna 2.0
again amd doesn't even sell an
equivalent graphics card on the pc space
right now but it would be
well well well above the kind of price
that you'll be talking about for the
entire console right
the ssds that are standard inside the
series s the series x and the ps5
leagues leagues better than what we had
on the ps4 and the xbox one
right and all of this combined means
that this generation of consoles i truly
do believe
is way closer to the pc than we've
pretty much seen since like the super
nintendo days and
n64 days when consoles really were
leading the charge for the gaming space
but when you look at games like
cyberpunk which
it's a hard case i don't want to single
out one game obviously everyone's
talking about cyberpunk right now and
for good reason
but this is a game that's been in
development for what seven eight years
now i mean
most of the time that the i think
actually it was announced before
the ps4 and the xbox one came out
clearly
should have been developed with a real
emphasis on
these current generation of consoles
right and it does run decently on like
the ps4 pro
and the xbox one x but when you look at
how a game like this which
was clearly designed with pc first but
should have had a real emphasis on the
consoles
has completely fallen flat when you look
at performance like this on the
base xbox one which looks like it's a
switch game right i mean it just looks
awful the frame rate's terrible i mean
it's just it's not
something that i would feel comfortable
spending 60 on clearly sony agrees
because they removed it from the
playstation store
right i mean we've seen a lot of games
get delayed i mean so many people gave
microsoft all kinds of quit for delaying
halo infinite a full year but now that
you look back
at what's happened to cyberpunk when was
last time you saw a game delayed
after it was already released right i
mean that is crazy to me
so one of my main thoughts going into
the generation as a whole is how long
does the ps4 and the xbox one really
have
right because right off the bat a couple
months in it is clear that those
consoles are
holding back this generation right so
there are a couple of thoughts here
first of all it does help that the xbox
one x and the ps4 pro exist because
clearly those are a little bit more
reasonable they're not
using seven-year-old hardware and
realistically cpus that were
not powerful by 2006 standards right so
that
clearly holds things back but the issue
is is that
unless i'm wildly wrong and if so please
correct me in the comments but
as far as i understand you as a
developer cannot release an xbox one
game
that only supports the xbox one x but
drops the base console
right you have to treat them together if
you're releasing a ps4 game it has to
support ps4
and ps4 pro otherwise forget it go
straight to ps5
now as a developer that would make me
very rightfully nervous because there
are over 100 million ps4s out there
if i want to sell you know 10 million
copies of fifa or whatever
you can't you got to sell it on console
that at least has 10 million right i
mean obviously the ps5 and the series x
are
wildly successful right now but it's
going to just take a while for them to
sort of hit any kind of critical mass
so on one hand there's no way the ps4
and the xbox one can go away but you
look at stuff like cyberpunk right
you look at how far technology has come
and how honestly how
weak the ps4 and the xbox one were from
day one
it's hard for me to imagine that
experience getting
better right i mean pc space has come a
huge huge way not only just in the last
seven years but even the last couple
years right
you look at the rx 6000 series of
graphics cards you look at what amd's
done with ryzen processors
you look at the rtx series and the 30
series like
there's so much that is advanced and
there's so much more performance and
capability available on the high end of
the pc space
then it really makes the ps4 and the
xbox one
absolutely pale in comparison right now
yes
there's an argument to be made that you
purchased a ps4
for 400 in 2013 you've got your money
where it's worth out of it
it's time to move on but it's just not
simply that easy right
first of all a lot of people certainly
don't want to go to pc and while yes i
enjoy consoles and pcs
i'm not gonna be out here judging little
timmy for not wanting to build his own
gaming pc and instead just play
ps4 with his friends i mean obviously
that's not a realistic sort of scenario
but when you look at how far things have
come
i think there's a real point that's
coming far quicker than i expected
where those original consoles and i'll
throw the enhanced in there with it but
i'm really talking mostly about the ps4
and the xbox one
are falling severely behind right
they're falling behind at a rate
i mean cyberpunk i do think is a bad
example because it is sort of the worst
case scenario
but this game should have been much
better right and am i going to sit here
and tell you that halo infinite is going
to look like
absolute butt on the xbox one base model
probably if i'm being honest
but i do think there's a real point to
be had as far as talking about these
latin consoles
and trying to get moved past them as
quickly as possible to move the entire
industry forward
now that doesn't mean that there aren't
other uses for these consoles and i do
think cloud gaming does
play a role in fact we actually did an
entire video on our second channel this
is talking about this exact
subject before cyberpunk was pulled from
the playstation store
but there are ways to have more life out
of the previous generation of consoles
right i do think when you have stuff
like xbox game pass when you
stream your game past ultimate games
that are running on a series x in the
cloud on your base xbox one that's a
great way to give it more life
and while we get more ps5s and xboxes
out there
it's going to take a little while to
build that base but sort of i've just
been really
thinking a lot about this idea that if
we are two months into this brand new
generation
and the last gen of consoles are falling
flat in such a hard way
that should say something because these
new consoles are just such a better
well-rounded package
and it helps that both the xbox and the
playstation side this time
have proper backwards compatibility
right so you can buy a ps5
and it'll do everything your ps4 did and
it'll do it better and it'll play ps5
games
you can buy yourself a serious ass or
series x and as long as you don't need
the discs on the series that side it
will do everything that your xbox one
did
and much much better and so as we move
forward
into 2021 and 2022 i'm not going to be
surprised to see
the ps4 and the xbox one have a much
sharper sort of drop-off in the support
of the games right i mean again we're
already seeing it with things like
flight simulator dropping the base
console support
is it going to go away overnight no do i
think that they should just you know
pull the plug on
of course not right i mean they're just
you simply cannot get around the fact
that as of a couple months ago sony were
still selling brand new base ps4s right
microsoft we're still selling brand new
xbox one ss those consoles
cannot just go obsolete overnight but i
do think we're going to see
is a much much faster roll off of the
last gen consoles in favor
of of course now the ps5 and the series
x and the series s but of course on the
pc side because things have moved so
quickly
so aggressively that i think it would be
a disservice to everyone and gamers
as a whole if these last gen consoles
hang around for
three four more years and we get
cyberpunk style
ports right because if you have a ps4
and you spend 60
on cyberpunk and you get this kind of
performance how could you possibly be
okay with that
right i mean that almost is a sales
pitch to go up to a ps5 or series x by
itself
or realistically it's a sales pitch to
go buy a pc so i'm
very curious what do you think about the
state of the ps4
and the xbox one today something i
thought a lot about
it's something that i do think is
aggressively changing but the fact that
we've had a
major aaa game which has been announced
years and years and years and years ago
that was obviously developed with the
ps4 and the xbox one in mind the whole
time
and it has not only performed so badly
but has been literally removed
from the playstation store it's been
recalled that's a crazy thing to me
and i think that says a lot about what
we should expect
out of that ps4 now that xbox one over
the coming couple of years anyway
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