BUT THE DEVOS HAS A BRILLIANT NEW IDEA.
SHE IS RECONSIDERING SOME OF THE POLICIES AND EDUCATION
DEPARTMENT AND TITLE NINE GUIDANCE ON CAMPUS RAPE AND
SEXUAL ASSAULT IS AMONG THOSE.
SHE IS GOING TO MEET WITH SOME LEADERS WHO CARE ABOUT THAT
ISSUE, AND SHE HAS DECIDED TO MEET WITH LEADERS WHO ALSO
DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE, OR CARE ABOUT IN A DEEPER WAY
WHERE THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE DEEMPHASIZED.
CURIOUS.
LET'S GIVE YOU DETAILS ON THOSE MEETINGS.
THINK PROGRESS REPORTS AFTER MONTHS OF RECEIVING
REQUESTS FOR MEETINGS FROM ADVOCATES FOR SEXUAL.
I WAS, EDUCATION SECRETARY BETSY DEVOS IS FINALLY DECIDED
TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM.
GOOD NEWS.
BUT IS ALSO MEETING WITH GROUPS THAT ARE CRITICAL OF THE
TITLE NINE GUIDANCE ON CAMPUS RAPE, SOME OF WHICH HAVE
HISTORIES OF DATING RAPE SURVIVORS AND DISMISSING
DOMESTIC ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION,
POLEMIC OBESITY TELLS ME MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND.
THE DEPARTMENT REACH OUT TO THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR MEN,
SAVE, THAT IS STOP ABUSIVE AND VIOLENT ENVIRONMENTS, AND
FAMILIES ADVOCATING FOR CAMPUS EQUALITY.
SOME OF THOSE GROUPS SOUND REASONABLE.
WHY WHEN YOU WANT CAMPUS EQUALITY?
CERTAINLY PROGRESSIVES WHAT.
SOME OF WHAT THEY DO IS NOT OUTRAGEOUS.
IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE, PROTECTING
THAT PERSON IS A GOOD THING AND NO ONE WANTS FALSE ACCUSATIONS
OF ANYTHING, LET ALONE SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS RAPE.
THE REALITY IS THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, I'M
GOING TO GIVE YOU THE STAFF ON A LITTLE BIT LATER, AND THERE
IS A GOOD ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THIS MOVE THESE GROUPS ARE
NOT WORRIED ABOUT JUST PROTECTING INNOCENT VICTIMS
OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS, BUT THINK THAT THE ISSUES OF CAMPUS
RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT ARE A LITTLE OVER DONE.
LET'S DIVE INTO THE DETAILS AND FIGURE IT OUT TOGETHER.
THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR MEN, WHICH WAS FOUNDED IN THE 1970S,
HAS A LONG HISTORY OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS MEN'S RIGHTS ACTIVISM.
ONE OF THE GROUPS CHAPTERS PUBLISH THE PHOTOS THE
NAMES OF WOMEN, WHILE CALLING THEM FALSE ACCUSERS.
THERE, IF IT TURNS OUT THE WHOLE THING WAS ADJUDICATED AND THEY
WENT TO COURT AND IT WAS SHOWN THAT THEY ARE IN FACT FALSE
ACCUSERS, OKAY, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE GUYS WHO WERE
FALSELY ACCUSED AND YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS FOR
THEM, THAT IS GREAT.
BUT PUBLISHING THE PICTURES OF THOSE WOMEN, I DON'T KNOW
HOW NECESSARY IT IS OR HOW HELPFUL IT IS, BUT YOU
COULD MAKE A CASE FOR IT.
I WOULDN'T DO IT, IT'S NOT A CLOSE CASE FOR ME, BUT IF
YOU ARE IN A GROUP, I GUESS I GET IT.
BUT DID YOU REALLY MAKE SURE THIS ROLE ADJUDICATED, OR DID
YOU START PUTTING UP PICTURES OF WOMEN WHO HAD RAPE ACCUSATIONS,
SOME OF WHICH MIGHT'VE BEEN TRUE AND THEN YOU PUT THEIR PICTURE
UP AS FALSE ACCUSERS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, WHICH I WOULD NEVER
GO DOWN BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A DANGEROUS AND BAD IDEA, YOU
BETTER MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME CORRECT AND ARE YOU SURE
THAT THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR MEN HAS MADE ABSOLUTELY
SURE THAT ALL THESE CASES ARE ADJUDICATED?
LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT I AM NOT POSITIVE ABOUT THAT.
THE MEN'S RIGHTS MOVEMENT, I AM A MAN, SO WHY WOULD I BE
AGAINST MEN'S RIGHTS?
I'M NOT, NOBODY IS.
MEN ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF RIGHTS.
THE WAY THAT IT WORKED WAS WE HAD ALL THE RIGHTS IN THE
BEGINNING, AND THEN EVENTUALLY, IT SPREAD OUT TO MORE
PEOPLE.
IN FACT, THERE WAS AS OF COURSE AS YOU KNOW PROPERTY
TO NON-PROPERTIED WHITE MEN AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON A
PEOPLE WHO GOT RIGHTS.
IT IS NOT LIKE MEN NEEDED SOMEONE TO PROTECTED THEM
BECAUSE OH MY GOSH, THEY HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.
NOW THE PENDULUM SWUNG TOO FAR AND YOU COULD SHOW COUPLE
OF CASES, AND THIS DIVORCE PROCEEDING, YOU SEE HOW IT
IS NO LONGER EQUAL, OKAY.
THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE AN I'VE HAD THAT
CONVERSATION AND AS IT TURNS OUT, MEN'S RIGHTS GROUPS
DON'T REALLY START THEIR STOP THERE.
THE MORE YOU GET IN THE WEEDS, THE UGLIER HE GETS.
TALK ABOUT HOW WOMEN HAD THIS AND THAT COMING IN THEY
HAVE BEEN TAKING WHERE RIGHTS FOREVER.
TAKING LEGAL RIGHTS?
KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SHOW VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES,
OTHERWISE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED WITH ALL OF THE
RIGHTS IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THAT INCLUDES ME.
JUST READ HISTORY, ANY HISTORY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, SOME PEOPLE
ARE NINE EMERALD WITH FACTS.
NOW IT'S GOOD TO SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS.
IN 2012, THE GROUP, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT GROUP
HE OR, THIS IS REFERRING STILL TO THE NATIONAL COALITION
FOR MEN.
OKAY IN 2012, THE GROUP SUPPORTED THE REPUBLICAN
HOUSE VERSION OF THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT, WHICH
REMOVED PROTECTIONS FOR LB DBT Q PEOPLE IN CRISIS CENTERS
THAT THE GROUPS HAVE BEEN VERY WITH THE JUST WHEN IT NOTICES
ADVANCED SPECIFICALLY DESICCATED IS NEEDED IS FOR WOMEN'S.
IT'S WOMEN'S IT'S MEMBERS SUIT A STRIP CLUB LETTING WOMEN IN
FOR FREE DURING ITS LADIES NIGHT AND SAID A COMPANY CALLED
CHIC CEO FOR NOT LETTING MEN INTO A WOMEN'S NETWORKING EVENT.
I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO BUS INTO A WOMEN'S NETWORKING EVENT
BUT IF YOU THAT THE CEO OF THAT COMPANY AND ALL THE
EXECUTIVES WERE WOMEN AND MEN DID NOT HAVE A RIGHT, A
GOOD WAY TO ADVANCE AND ACCOMPANY AS WOMEN HAVE HAD
THAT PROBLEM IN MANY INDUSTRIES FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT
HAPPENED IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE AND YOU WANT TO PURSUE
THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO PREVENT CASE IN COURT.
BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO SUING STRIP CLUBS FOR LADIES NIGHTS?
I MEAN, MY CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS, WOULDN'T YOU CALL THAT A
SNOWFLAKE?
YOU WERE SO BOTHERED THAT YOU COULDN'T GET FREE NIGHT AT THE
STRIP CLUB AND THEY ONLY HAD IT FOR LADIES AND YOU'LL SEE THE
LOGIC IN THAT AND YOU SAY OH NO, I HAVE TO HAVE A QUALITY AT THE
STRIP CLUB THAT MEN HAVE NEVER HAD A QUALITY OF STRIP CLUBS.
WHEN YOU MAKE A CASE LIKE THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE THINK YOU ARE
A JACKASS THAT IT CERTAINLY MAKES ME THINK THAT AND I
SUSPECT A LARGE PERSON PORTION OF THE AUDIENCE BUT ACTUALLY THE
ONE THAT IS MOST HARMFUL IS GOING AFTER BG'S EQ RIGHTS DIVE
YOU ARE FOR MEN, WHY DO YOU CARE IF IT'S GAY OR STRAIGHT MEN?
I THOUGHT YOU WERE FOR EQUALITY BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT
LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE NOT SO YOU HAVE OTHER AGENDAS.
NOW WITH THE REALITY OF THE STATS HERE.
RESEARCHERS ESTIMATE THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND
10% OF RAPE ALLEGATIONS ARE FALSE, BUT EVEN AMONG THOSE WERE
FALSELY ACCUSED, IT'S REPRIMANDS AND UP IN PRISON AS A RESULT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF YOU ARE IN THAT 2 TO 10%,
THAT WHAT HAPPENED YOU IS AN OUTRAGEOUS.
IT IS.
BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE IS A TERRIBLE THING, BUT IS
THAT AN OVERWHELMING PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED
AT THE SAME LEVEL AS ACTUAL RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT?
I WANT THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO GO INTO BOTH PROBLEMS,
BUT APPROPRIATE ALSO MEANS PROPORTIONATE SO IF YOU
CALL THAT 50-50, THE STATS DON'T BACK IT UP.
IN FACT, LET ME GIVE YOU THE OTHER SIDE.
FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE FOUND RESPONSIBLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT,
ONLY 30% WERE ACTUALLY EXPELLED ACCORDING TO A 2014 HUFFINGTON
POST ANALYSIS OF DATA FROM OVER 100 SCHOOLS.
YOU'VE A HUGE PROBLEM OF CAMPUS RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO IT UNFORTUNATELY GET AWAY WITH
IT AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES TO TRACK DOWN THE
MAKE SURE THEIR STRESSES IN THAT SYSTEM.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO
WERE FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE AND THEY HARDLY EVER ACTUALLY GO TO
COURT OR PRISON, SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE THE
INDIVIDUAL CASES ANY LESS UNJUST BUT IS THAT THE SAME SCOPE
OF PROBLEM IS SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
KNOW, THE NUMBERS SHOW YOU THAT IT IS NOT, SUGGEST HAVE A
SENSE OF PROPORTION HERE.
NOW WE GO TO THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR MEN PRESIDENT.
THAT IS HARRY CROUCH, PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL COALITION FOR
MEN, HAS ALSO VOCALLY BLAME SURVIVORS FOR THE ABUSE THEY
FACED DIANA 2014 INTERVIEW WITH SPECIFIC STANDARD, CROTCH
DEFENDED RAY RICE, A FORMER FOOTBALL PLAYER, WHO WAS
INDICTED IN 2014 ON 3RD∞ AGGRAVATED ASSAULT FOR AN
INCIDENT INVOLVING HIS THEN FIANC…E. BEFORE I GO TO
HIS DEFENSE, YOU REMEMBER THAT INCIDENT?
WE SHOULD THE VIDEO HERE, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP RE-SHOWING
IT, BUT HE KNOCKS OUT HIS FIANC…E, NOW THEY ARE MARRIED.
IT IS A BRUTAL LOOKING VIDEO.
THEN HE DRAGS HER OUT OF THE ELEVATOR, LEAVES HER SHOE
THERE THAT AFTER HE KNOCKS HER OUT COITUS EVEN LOOK AT HER
FOR A LONG TIME.
IT IS STOMACH TURNING VIOLENCE, BUT
NO, HARRY CROUCHíS PERSPECTIVE ON THAT WAS VASTLY DIFFERENT.
HE SAID I AM NOT SAYING HE'S A GOOD GUY, BUT IF SHE HADN'T
AGGRAVATED HIM, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HIT.
THEY WOULD SAY THAT SLAMMING THE VICTIM, BUT I DON'T BUY IT.
WHAT'S THERE NOT TO BUY?
YOU CAN DISAGREE ON WHAT HAPPENED ALTHOUGH THE
VIDEOTAPE IS INCREDIBLY CLEAR, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SHE
AGGRAVATED HIM, YOU ARE BLAMING THE VICTIM.
THERE IS NOTHING TO BUY OR NOT, YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE
JUSTIFIED IN BLAMING THE VICTIM.
YOU WILL BE AMONG A REALLY SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO
THINK THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DIDN'T BLAME THE VICTIM
BECAUSE YOU DID.
THE MORE YOU GET IN THE WEEDS, THE MORE YOU GET A SENSE OF
WHERE THESE GUYS ARE ACTUALLY GOING, AND IT IS NOT GOOD NEWS
THAT IT IS IN A REALLY BAD DIRECTION.
NOW THE EDUCATION
SECRETARY IS LIKE OH YES, 50-50.
I MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT IN
THE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THEM AND I MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK
THAT THAT IS A MADE UP ISSUE AND THAT THEY KIND OF HAD IT
COMING A LITTLE BIT SOMETIMES IN SOME ASSAULT CASES.
WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE HISTORY OF BETSY DEVOS,
YOU REALIZE THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED BY THIS.
IT'S WHY WE FIGHT HER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK SHE WAS RIGHT
FOR THAT ROLE.
IT TURNS OUT THAT DICK AND BETSY DEVOS FAMILY FOUNDATION
MADE DONATIONS TOTALING $25,000
TO FOUNDATION FOR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS IN EDUCATION WHICH
SHOULD ARTICLES DISMISSIVE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS.
ONE RED, UNFORTUNATELY, MUCH OF THE FEMINIST WAR ON RAPE
HAS CONFLATED SEXUAL ASSAULT WITH MUDDLED, OFTEN ALCOHOL
FUELED SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS THAT INVOLVE MISCOMMUNICATION.
YOU CALL IT RAPE, I CALLED MISCOMMUNICATION.
THEY GAVE MONEY TO THE CAUSE, SO NOW ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT BETSY
DEVOS IS MEETING WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE FOR MEN'S RIGHTS TO
PROTECT MEN FROM THE MISCOMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS,
WHAT THEY ADMIT ARE ALCOHOL FUELED SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS?
PEOPLE BEING DRUNK AND HAVING SEX, OLDEST TIME.
BUT IF SOMEONE IS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS AND DRINKING,
YES, THAT IS RAPE AND THAT IS NOT A 50-50 QUESTION.
THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION AND IT IS SETTLED.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW RELITIGATING THIS IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS HORRIFIC.