glenn greenwald the pulitzer
prize-winning investigative journalist
who writes for sub stack joins me now so
glenn how do you think the media is
grappling with the
rough shape of the country and joe
biden's deterioration
you know i think you have to go back to
2016 i know it seems like several
lifetimes ago to understand the context
where the democrats lost an election
they never expected to lose they
basically lost to a reality tv show host
when hillary clinton had all the backing
of the establishment in the world and
instead of asking what is it about our
ideology that ruled the country for
eight years that drove people away from
us into donald trump's arms they instead
decided they were going to blame
everybody else russia and wikileaks and
jill stein whoever they could find
everyone but themselves and they
catastrophized everything saying trump
and the republicans mean that putin is
now in control
of the white house and you know when
trump ran for reelection he had
everything against him coveted in the
economy he almost won but he didn't and
the democrats simply replaced trump with
the same ideology that they governed
with for eight years under obama that
caused people to run away from them as
fast as they could and now that people
are doing that again instead of asking
why is that happening they're getting
poised to blame the electorate for being
stupid for thinking the economy is bad
when it's actually good and ultimately
they'll just say they're too racist to
vote for democrats it's a really smart
point you just made about them kind of
going back to that obama clinton
mindset you know
free trade agreements everywhere
foreign intervention everywhere kind of
mishandling energy policy and
turning a blind eye to the border and
crime that's what gave us donald trump
and now they've gone back and done the
same thing and when they've screwed up
they've now said it's because
everybody's racist oh and january 6th
and you're not really
really suffering you just have brain fog
because of long covid
they just keep repeating the same
mistakes over and over and over again
do you think anything that they've tried
so far will work
this this summer
you know we we can use our experience we
have in our personal lives if somebody
continues to fail but never self
reflects and asks what it is that
they're doing that causes their failure
they just blame everybody else you know
that person will continue to fail i
think that's exactly what has happened
with the democratic party you describe
their ideology which is neoliberalism
globalism militarism that
de-industrialized towns that cause the
the ordinary american to suffer a while
the global elite continued to prosper
and that's the same ideology biden was
part of that administration for eight
years that led to donald trump and they
replaced the same ideology with the one
that failed already and they're
practicing the same but this time with
the media fully on board of saying we're
never going to accept blame ourselves
we're going to blame everybody else in
particular the americans who are too
dumb or too racist to vote for us and
this is what the media is basically
priming them to think is that if you
think things are going bad it's because
you're too dumb to understand your own
lives and if you vote for republicans
it's because either you don't care about
racism or you don't care about fascism
and i don't think people are going to be
persuaded by that when they're looking
at the reality of their own lives
the the country is moving in the middle
right and you've described it we're
getting away from what the republican
party used to be we're getting away from
what the democratic party used to be
it's kind of a common sense
ideology where you just want public
safety you're right you want the goods
and services that your tax dollars went
to to give you what you expect you know
you want
clean streets you want safe streets you
want clean drinking water and you just
want the government to get out of the
way and have you have a little bit more
money than you had last year so your
kids could have a little bit of a better
life than you had is it's kind of simple
when you think about it why do you think
the politicians and i could say this may
be on either side have not really laser
focused in on what the country's
screaming for which is competence
and deliverables
i think the way washington works is it
breeds this very insulated system where
people even who arrive there with good
intentions who
want to kind of change the system end up
captive to it they spend most of their
time dealing with their corporate donors
who demand from them a certain set of
policies that don't serve the rest of
the country they end up pressured by the
internal and uh workings of washington
to do things like endorse a a war
package of 40 billion dollars 10 weeks
into a war in ukraine and not even
allowing anyone except a few dozen
republicans which i think is incredibly
notable and interesting only a few dozen
republicans are saying where is this 40
billion dollars going in how is it
benefiting americans and they have this
system that constantly reinforced a set
of incentives for them to ignore their
voters at home and to serve a tiny group
of people in special interest and then
come election time they're very confused
as to why so many people are
dissatisfied really with the
establishment wings of both parties in
the political system itself
we send them weapons and europe sends us
baby formula and then everybody pats
themselves on the back and says good job
glenn greenwald as always thank you so
much
thanks jesse hi everyone i'm brian
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