joining me now former federal prosecutor
and msnbc legal analyst getting
kirschner so glenn i am reminded of
trump's
moment in the debate where he was asked
about the proud boys and militia groups
and he said stand back and stand by
what was your reaction to the revelation
that the head of the oath keepers
actually wanted to talk directly to
donald trump
so you know there is something in this
reporting for everybody zerlina because
some people will say well donald trump
didn't take the call right the message
was it wasn't patched through to trump
so that's an indication that trump had
nothing to do with it i actually take a
contrary view what in the world is it
that made the head of the oath keepers
believe he could talk directly to donald
trump it seems like there's a history
there that we need to know more about
because you know as you said donald
trump expressly told some of these
nationalist groups white supremacist
groups hate groups to stand by and they
did stand by he then called them to the
capitol on january 6 and told them to go
fight like hell which they did so you
know all of this is pretty damning
evidence
is it relevant that they followed his
instructions
it is relevant to donald trump's
criminal culpability he gave the order
go to the capitol fight like keller you
won't have a country anymore because the
people in that building are stealing
your vote that was untrue that's what
helps provide donald trump's corrupt
intent to this whole sad endeavor so you
know it's it's also somewhat relevant to
the people who are going to trial and
being convicted day after day or
actually attacking the capital it's
relevant to their culpability but only
when it comes to the sentence it is not
a defense to the crimes that they're
being tried for and convicted of but
they can rightly stand up at sentencing
and say look my president told me to go
attack the capital i did what he told me
to do not a legal defense
but maybe that reduces your sentence
from three years to two years
so the committee at the to date has met
with donald trump jr ivanka trump and
also her husband jared kushner i mean
help us understand the type of
information they could get from the
trump family members and how it could
fit in into the investigation and be
helpful i mean kimberly guilfoyle also
donald trump jr's girlfriend
they've spoken with her as well
yeah zerlina so much to unpack with
respect to this testimony especially don
jrs because as you just indicated he
only sat for two hours of testimony now
there are at least two enormous topics
that i think
the j6 committee would want to talk with
him about
one is what his father was doing you
know before january 6th on january 6th
after january 6th what what is his
father's culpability and all this but
then the second topic is what about his
own culpability you can't scratch the
surface of one of those two topics never
mind both in only two hours but so i
think part of what they're going to be
keenly interested in is don jr's
messages to mark meadows during the
capital attack my father has to call
this off he must condem condemn the
violence i mean that's an important
indicator that he knew his father was
the one not only responsible for the
violence but who had the power to call
off the violence and donald trump
refused to call off the violence for
hours as the capital was being attacked
so that's important testimony i think it
also qualifies as irony though because
don jr himself
spoke at the january 6th
pre-insurrection pep rally told the
trump supporters to go down there and
fight and here's a really interesting
comment that don jr made he said he was
urging them to fight for trump
and he said you have an opportunity to
fight today
to be a hero rather than a zero call me
crazy but when don jr tells the the
angry mob you have an opportunity to
fight today it sounds like he wants them
to go to the capitol and fight today not
you know organize in the future vote for
republican candidates etc so you know
there's a mixed bag when it comes to don
jr testifying about his father's
potential conduct and misconduct when he
has a healthy dose of culpability
himself we don't have time to talk about
kevin mccarthy but i'm sure there'll be
another mixtape dropping that we can
discuss on a future date so glenn
kirschner thank you so much for being
here today and please stay safe
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