THEY THEY START THEIR MARCH. BUT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THIS COMING UP TONIGHT.
>> ON THE
>> ALL RIGHT, PATTY, THANK YOU.
AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE THOSE
WHO SUPPORT THIS RULING FROM
THE SUPREME COURT TODAY AS
WELL. BUT NO MATTER WHERE YOU
STAND ON THAT, IT’S IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RULING
COMES FROM AND WHAT IT MEANS
GOING FORWARD. SO LET’S BRING
IN JON TAYLOR, CHAIR OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF POLITICAL SCIENCE
WITH UTSA. JOHN, ALWAYS A
PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
SO SO LET’S START OUT WITH THIS
MOMENTUM. MONUMENTAL RULING.
WHAT’S AT THE HEART OF IT?
WHAT REALLY WAS THE FACTOR IN
THIS DECISION?
>> WELL, I MEAN, WE WANT TO DO
THE LEGAL SIDE. IT’S IT’S THE
RIGHT TO PRIVACY IS WHAT IT
COMES DOWN TO IT BECAUSE ROE
VERSUS WADE IS BASED ON THE
1965 SUPREME COURT CASE OF
GRISWOLD VERSUS CONNECTICUT.
IT’S OUT OF THE GRISWOLD
DECISION, BUT THE RIGHT TO
PRIVACY IS ESTABLISHED ARE BOTH
THE 9TH AND THE 14TH AMENDMENT
OUT OF THE ROE DECISION.
WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT OTHER
RIGHT TO PRIVACY CASES COME
INTO PLAY PARTICULAR. THE
LAWRENCE DECISION FROM 2003
WHICH DEALS WITH PRIVACY.
SO RELATIONS PRIVACY AND THEN
THE 2015 OVERFILL DECISION
WHICH DEALS WITH MARRIAGE
EQUALITY, SAME MARRIAGE.
SO I MEAN, CAN I BOIL IT DOWN
SIMPLY, JOHN AND SAYING THAT
ELECTIONS MATTER?
>> BUT YAHOO’S IN THIS WHOLE
THING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE
SUPREME COURT. ABSOLUTELY, MARY
MATTER BECAUSE LET’S BE HONEST
HERE, THE LAST 3 SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES APPOINTED BY TRUMP ALL
VOTED IN FAVOR OF OVERTURNING
ROE VERSUS WADE TODAY.
>> AND THERE WAS SUCH TALK
DURING HIS PRESIDENCY ABOUT
THOSE APPOINTMENTS BEING HIS
LEGACY. AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE
WATCHING PLAY OUT RIGHT NOW.
YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THOSE
OTHER TOPICS OUTSIDE OF
ABORTION, THINGS LIKE SAME,
MARRIAGE, CONTRACEPTION.
THOSE HAVE BEEN THE 2 OTHER
ISSUES IN ADDITION TO ABORTION
THAT THERE’S BEEN REAL CONCERN
ABOUT TODAY IN TERMS OF COULD
THIS RULING EFFECT THOSE
RIGHTS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT’S
BEHIND THAT CONCERN?
>> ABSOLUTELY. JUSTICE THOMAS
AND HIS A OPINION CONCURRING
OPINION. HE ESSENTIALLY SAID
THAT THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES,
THE ISSUES RELATED TO
CONTRACEPTION TO SAME MARRIAGE
TO SAME RELATIONS NEED TO BE
REVISITED. THAT SHOULD BE A
WARNING SIGN TO ANYBODY WHO’S
CONCERNED ABOUT MARRIAGE
EQUALITY CONCERNING ABOUT
CONTRACEPTION, CONTRACEPTIVES
FOR MARRIED PEOPLE. BUT BUT IN
THE SAME LIGHT, JUSTICE ALITO
SAID THIS RULING ONLY HAS TO
DO WITH
>> ABORTION.
HOW DO YOU I MEAN, THEY ARE WE
READING TEA LEAVES HERE ON WHAT
MAY HAPPEN. I THINK WE’RE
TRYING TO READ SOME TEA LEAVES
HERE TO BE HONEST. JUSTICE
ALITO CAN SAY ONLY ALL HE
WANTS, BUT IF YOU READ THROUGH
THE DECISION AND SO LONG
OPINION 200 PLUS PAGES, IT
SEEMS MORE EVIDENT THAN NOT
THAT THAT THOSE ISSUES OF SAME
MARRIAGE AND CONTRACEPTION MOST
ARE ON THE TABLE.
>> SO WE’LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENS GOING FORWARD IN THAT
SAME VEIN. WE’RE WATCHING TO
SEE WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IN
TERMS OF THE POLITICS OF ALL
THIS, THE POLITICAL IMPACTS.
WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT TO SET
SAY TODAY THAT ROWE IS NOW
DEFINITELY ON THE BALLOT COME
NOVEMBER. SO WITH THIS DECISION
NOW, LEAVING IT UP TO THE
STATES WHEN IT COMES TO
ABORTION, AND DO YOU THINK THAT
THERE WAS GOING TO BE A
SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO TEXAS IN
NOVEMBER BASED OFF OF THIS?
>> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION
BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL. 6 MONTHS
OR 5 MONTHS REALLY ARE. IT’S
A LIFETIME IN POLITICS. WE
DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING
TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND EARLY
NOVEMBER. ONE WOULD LIKE TO
THINK THAT THE ABORTION ISSUE
AND THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY ISSUES
AMONG OTHERS, REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS IS GOING TO BE ON THE
TABLE AND BE OUT THERE.
HOWEVER, ONE NEVER KNOWS.
ADDITIONALLY, IS IT GOING TO
ENERGIZE VOTERS, PARTICULARLY
YOUNG VOTERS TO THE YOUNG
FEMALE VOTERS WHO ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS,
ACCESS. WE ALL KNOW THAT’S ONE
OF THE OF THE MILLION DOLLAR
QUESTION IS I THINK AS WE HEAD
INTO THE INTO THE SUMMER
PARTICULAR INTO THE EARLY FALL.
JOHN, WE HAVE 30 MILLION PEOPLE
WHO DON’T VOTE. NEW AT
30 MILLION PEOPLE WHO DON’T
VOTE EVERY YEAR. I MEAN, IT
IS THIS A WAKE-UP CALL? I MEAN,
CERTAINLY DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING
TO MAKE IT THAT I’M A DEMOCRAT.
I MEAN, I HEARD THE PRESIDENT.
I HEARD THE VICE PRESIDENT.
I HEARD PEOPLE UP AND DOWN, YOU
KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC RANKS
SAYING.
>> THIS IS ON THE BALLOT IN THE
IN A NOVEMBER. I MEAN, DO YOU
SEE THIS IS A WAKE-UP CALL?
IS THIS A SEMINAL MOMENT WHEN
IT COMES TO VOTING IN
OUR COUNTRY? AS THE POLITICAL
SIDE IS? I WOULD SAY I WOULD
HOPE SO. BUT TO BE HONEST,
REALISTICALLY.
>> DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH.
I MEAN, VOTERS OR VOTERS THERE,
THEY’RE RELATIVELY FICKLE AND
ESPECIALLY IN A MIDTERM
ELECTION. TURNOUT IS ALWAYS
TRADITIONALLY LOWER THAN THE
GENERAL ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT.
I MEAN, TEXAS IN PARTICULAR IS
NOT GOOD WITH TURNOUT. I I’D
LIKE TO HOPE AND THINK THAT
WE’D SEE A HIGHER TURNOUT BASED
ON THIS ISSUE. HOWEVER, ONE CAN
MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT PRO-LIFE
VOTERS MAY BE JUST AS ENERGIZED
AS AS AS REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS
WORKERS. IT’S QUITE POSSIBLE.
>> YOU KNOW, I I ALWAYS LIKE
ASKING YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT
COMES TO POLITICAL HISTORY.
SO 1973, WHEN ROE VERSUS WADE
WAS RULED ON, CERTAINLY TIMES
OF CHANGE THE TIMING OF THAT
DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO
ELECTIONS AT THAT TIME WAS
DIFFERENT THAN NOW.
>> BUT IS THERE ANY POLITICAL
HISTORY THAT LEADS US TO
BELIEVE THIS COULD BE.
>> THE IMPLICATIONS WHEN IT
COMES TO ELECTIONS BASED ON
WHAT HAPPENED IN 73 AND IN THE
YEARS FOLLOWING.
>> AND YOU CAN COME BACK TO
DREAD SCOTT IN THE 18 50’S,
WHICH WAS THE CATALYST FOR THE
CIVIL WAR, WAS THREES NOT GO
THERE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT’S
RELATIVELY RARE TO SEE A
SUPREME COURT CASE LIKE THIS.
CREATE SUCH A TOP, ALMOST WHAT
WE MIGHT CALL A PARADIGMATIC
SHIFT POLITICALLY. ONE CAN MAKE
THE ARGUMENT. THAT’S WHAT WE
SAW WITH THE BROWN 1950’S AND
IN SEGREGATION, PUBLIC SCHOOLS
IN PARTICULAR, ONE NEVER KNOWS
THERE ARE SUPREME COURT
DECISIONS ALONG THE WAY THAT
WE’VE SEEN THAT THAT MAY OR MAY
NOT HAVE AN IMPACT. SOME THAT
WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE
PROFOUND. I THINK THIS ONE IS
PERFECT. WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT 49 YEARS OF
ABORTION BEING CONSTITUTIONAL
NOW BEING FOUND TO BE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND BEING SENT
BACK TO SOME STATES WHERE YOU
MAY SEE A COMPLETE ELIMINATION
OF ABORTION, OTHER STATES WHERE
YOU MAY SEE REGULATION. IN
FACT, THEY SEE THE EXPANSION OF
ABORTION RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA,
OREGON AND WASHINGTON TALKED
ABOUT THAT. SO ONE NEVER KNOWS.
THAT SAID YOU WOULD HOPE THAT
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CATALYST
FOR 4.
FOR THE LESS THAN THRILLED
VOTERS THAT DON’T TURN OUT TOO
OFTEN. BOTTOM LINE HERE, JOHN,
IS THIS IF YOU’RE GREG ABBOTT,
IF YOU’RE DAN PATRICK, IF
YOU’RE SOMEBODY IN STATE
LEADERSHIP, I’VE I’VE.
>> I’VE SEEN THE BETO O’ROURKE
CAMPAIGN ALREADY TRYING TO
CAPITALIZE ON THIS AND THE
LATEST POLLS, THE TEAM’S IT.
MAYBE HE HAS SOME MOMENTUM IN
THE GOVERNOR’S RACE.
HOW ARE YOU VIEWING THIS?
IS THIS OF ENERGIZING YOUR BASE
OR IS THIS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU
WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT’S
GOING TO ENERGIZE PEOPLE WHO
DON’T
NORMALLY VOTE?
>> WHEN YOU FIRST OF ALL, THINK
THAT ABBOTT, PATRICK AND AND
KEN PAXTON 3 THAT REALLY PUSH
THIS THING AND LEGISLATURE ARE
PROBABLY DOING A VICTORY LAP
TODAY. AND AND YOU KNOW, THAT’S
THAT’S THE RIGHT. BUT OUR WORK
OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN TALKING
ABOUT ABOUT PROTECTING
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS A BIG
RALLY IN AUSTIN
ON SUNDAY. YOU KNOW, WILL IT IN
OR CAN HIS EYESIGHT? IT WOULD
ENERGIZE VOTERS ABORTIONS.
BUT ONE ISSUE OF THE NUMBER AND
HOW WE TALK ABOUT VOTERS WILL
BE CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYTHING
FROM THE ELECTRIC GRID TO HIGH
HIGH GAS PRICES TO CONCERNS
ABOUT GUN GUNS AND GUN SAFETY.
ONE JUST NEVER KNOW IT. YEAH.
THE COMMON RULE, THOSE PEOPLE
USUALLY VOTE WITH THEIR
POCKETBOOK. WE’LL SEE IF THAT
CHANGES AFTER TODAY. JOHN
TAYLOR. THE CHAIR OF THE
POLITICAL SCIENCE, GEOGRAPHY