Sadhguru: It’s a great privilege that we have Baba with us and Acharyaji.
Probably there is nobody in the country who doesn’t know about Baba Ramdev, we will leave him alone.
But what Acharyaji has created in this country in the form of this Patanajali brand
in a matter of just about probably twelve years or thirteen years,
it’s become one of the biggest brands in the country.
Bringing a totally new dimension to India’s business.
Over two billion dollar business, and see, he is the CEO – look at him.
Swami Ramdev: CEO without salary.
Sadhguru: So CEO without salary. CEO without suit, without jacket, and without tie.
This is an exemplary model of a desi company, an Indian company really doing well.
It is something that the business community in the world, particularly in India, has to learn
that with such simplicity but with absolute devotion towards what you’re creating,
what can be created is so phenomenal. In this FMCG arena where they are, as far as I know,
I don’t think no company in the country in a matter of ten, twelve years’ time has become a
two billion dollar company as they have become.
And they have the largest food processing industry in the world.
Everybody knows these things, but what people do not know is,
I had the privilege of visiting their lab.
What they’re creating there, they have kind of documented 72,000 medicinal plants,
which has never been done before, in a most scientific manner.
All this… look at the simplicity. One man is shirtless, another man, like this.
This man is production and execution. This man is marketing.
This is something that India has to learn from. I have been speaking about this,
but these are exemplary models of that,
that to run major businesses, you don’t have to strangle yourself with a tie.
What you are seeing here, I believe is the future of India’s business houses.
Sadhguru: I am taking the liberty of inviting Acharya Balkrishnaji.
This year, it’s all fixed up, but 2019, the Insight, which is a business meet
where we have had people like Ratan Tata, Narayan Murthy, K V Kamath, and many many others,
almost all the top corporate leaders have been here.
Next year, he is coming here as the corporate leader of this nation (Applause).
Kangana Renaut: When I first heard about you many years ago, I rolled my eyes and
I muttered something about, “Oh, guru types.”
And until a few months ago, when my sister gave me your book Inner Engineering,
which happens to be New York Times best seller, it changed my perspective.
Honestly, if it wasn’t New York Times bestseller book, I would have not read it. What is about the West,
the West stamp that we can’t do without it?
I mean, there’s so many books, and unless Americans approve of it, it just doesn’t make sense. Why is that?
Sadhguru: We still have not gotten out of that Ferang Syndrome, it has to come from there.
Today, why do you think so many people are talking about yoga?
The yoga they are talking about in India is largely a rebound from the American coast.
They’re not talking about the yoga that is here. This is the source of yoga…
Kangana Renaut: Sadhguru, that brings me to a question about our roots ingrained in yoga and spirituality,
but where has it got us as a nation, as a country, as a continent?
Sadhguru: Let’s understand this very clearly…
Here, we always focused on individual development, because without creating great human beings,
there is no great nation, there is no great culture, there is no great world.
World, nation, society – these are just words. It’s just you and me. What kind of people we are,
that’s the kind of society, that’s the kind of nation, that’s the kind of world we will live in.
So we always focused on individual development.
In this, we’ve produced stellar human beings.
Absolutely fantastic human beings for thousands of years, who created a fantastic culture. (Applause)
Kangana Renaut: Sadhguru, these days, the common discussion that is going on is again
about the refugees. They are coming in millions, and millions, and millions, where our own are starving.
Sadhguru: We are trying to project our inefficiency as compassion, I don’t like that.
We don’t know how to man our borders, but we are talking about compassion – that’s not the truth.
When somebody comes to the nation’s door because they are violently persecuted somewhere,
we should treat it differently. After all, they are human beings.
But for economic wellbeing, people are daily porous borders, people are going across here and there –
we need to do something about it.
If you just allow people and give them ration cards and identity cards, simply without any accounting,
this is going to be a disaster. This will lead to all kinds of problems in future.
You cannot run a nation without knowing who is in this country.
See, if you want to be really inclusive, we can make the two countries into one. (Laughter/Applause)
Yes. We can make Bangladesh into a union territory and make it a part of this country.
If you are ready for that – I think India is ready for that.
If you talk about inclusiveness, that’s the way to include, isn’t it?
Not slipping into my house from the back door and saying, “Include me.” It’s not going to work
(Laughter/Applause).
Kangana Renaut: Okay, now we’ll move to your favorite topic.
Sadhguru: Is that…? (Laughter) I didn’t know you figured out all those things. (Laughter)
Kangana Renaut: Okay, now we move to Shiva. Sadhguru: Oh! (Laughter)
Kangana Renaut: So Shiva is – what I got from reading about it and doing my practices
and spending time with you –
Shiva is not somebody looking... like sitting up there, and looking at all of us. Shiva is a dimension.
It is, as they say in science, a black hole where nothingness seems to be the origin of the universe.
But okay, tell me, that so Adiyogi, the very first yogi, was somebody who has access to that dimension.
So why is it that you are obsessed with Adiyogi?
Isn’t it like making it about the container and not the contained?
Sadhguru, isn’t it like that?
Sadhguru: Till now, I have not said a word about him. (Laughter) You brought him in!
Kangana Renaut: No, but you made the sculpture of Adiyogi and you…
Sadhguru: Yeah, it’s only one and a half years old,
but you are not checking what I was doing for thirty-six years. Let’s come to that, that’s fine. See about...
Adiyogi is not an obsession. Adiyogi’s a plan.
You talked about nothing.
If you want to understand nothing, you must put a hyphen between “no-” and “thing.” It’s not a thing.
That doesn’t mean it does not exist.
Now science is talking about no-things – that means
a non-physical dimension of existence, something that is no-thing but still a powerful force.
The source of all that exists here as physical stuff,
essentially comes from that which is not a thing or no thing or Shiva.
Kangana Renaut: So my last question is, Sadhguru, about our youth.
Apparently, the statistics say that every one hour, actually less than an hour,
a young person below twenty-five is committing suicide.
Why is that?
Sadhguru: Suicide is not a pleasant thing.
You must look at what psychologically that person goes through to come to that decision.
It’s the most horrible part of one’s life,
where somewhere, they feel so trapped either by physical situations, financial situations
or emotional situations. So absolutely trapped when there is no other way,
this is when they take that kind of violent exit which we call a suicide. Why is this happening?
You must understand in this country in 2017,
7600 children below fifteen years of age have committed suicide.
Below fifteen years of age! When they must be bursting with life and wanting to live.
Below fifteen years of age if they want to commit suicide, what is it?
We are somewhere driving ourselves to a certain desperation.
One big cause for all this is education system.
So youth means, an exuberant energy. But most of the time, the problem with the youth is
they don’t have the necessary clarity nor balance.
We are launching a campaign called Youth and Truth in the month of September.
We are doing events across the country in various universities.
We expect you and all your friends in the industry and in the media, please be a part of it.
Such a large youthful population without necessary clarity, without competence, without balance,
they could be the biggest disaster on the planet.
But if we organize this well, we could be the greatest miracle in the world.
Kangana Renaut: My message to all the youth who are going to participate in this,
you can ask Sadhguru all kind of questions, why... about monthly cycles, about sex, drugs – all kinds of questions.
Sadhguru: This is being pitched as “Youth and Truth – Unplug with Sadhguru.”
Ask whatever you want. Kangana Renaut: Ask whatever you want.
Sadhguru: Nothing is a taboo.