WHISTLEBLOWER.
>> Bret: THANK YOU.
LET'S HEAR MORE ABOUT WHY THE
WHISTLEBLOWER'S NAME SHOULD BE
OUT.
THERE KENTUCKY SENATOR RAND PAUL
JOINS US TONIGHT.
I REFERENCED THAT TWEET FROM THE
WHISTLEBLOWER'S ATTORNEY.
IF CONGRESS AND OTHERS DON'T
PROTECT MY CLIENT'S, IT
JEOPARDIZED THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
YOUR RESPONSE?
>> I DON'T WISH HARM ON ANYONE.
I HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF
POLITICAL VIOLENCE TWICE.
I WAS AT THE BALLFIELD WHEN
SCALIA WAS ALMOST KILLED AND I
HAD SIX OF MY RIBS BROKEN BY A
HATER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
I DON'T WANT VIOLENCE.
THE REPORT IS NOT CORRECT.
THE STATUTE SAYS THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL CANNOT REVEAL THE NAME.
THE PRESIDENT SHOULD ENFORCE THE
LAW BUT THE STATUTE SAYS THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL CAN'T REVEAL
THE NAME.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS
ME FROM SAYING IT NOW BUT I WANT
IT TO BE MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS
AND LESS ABOUT THE PERSON.
THERE IS NO LAW THAT PREVENTS ME
FROM MENTIONING THE NAME.
>> Bret: DO YOU KNOW?
>> YES, THE 6th AMENDMENT TO THE
CONSTITUTION SAYS IF YOU ACCUSY
ME OF A CRIME I GET TO STARE YOU
DOWN IN COURT.
IF THERE IS A TRIAL, YOU ALWAYS
GET TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER.
IT'S IN THE 6th AMENDMENT AND
THE BILL OF RITZ.
>> Bret: WHAT PREVENTS YOU FROM
GETTING ON THE SENATE FLOOR AND
GIVING A SPEECH AND SAYING THE
GUY'S NAME?
>> I KNOW I CAN AND I MAY.
I COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW.
NOTHING STOPS ME.
THERE IS NO LAW THAT STOPS ME
FROM DOING IT.
OTHER THAN I DON'T WANT TO MAKE
IT ABOUT THE ONE INDIVIDUAL.
I DO THINK THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL
IS A MATERIAL WITNESS TO THE
POTENTIAL BIDEN CORRUPTION.
HE WAS THERE UNDER JOE BIDEN.
HE WAS THERE WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS
TRYING TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR
THAT WAS INVESTIGATING HUNTER
BIDEN.
THIS PERSON WAS A UKRAINE EXPERT
ON THE DESK.
HE SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED NOT AS
THE WHISTLEBLOWER BUT A MATERIAL
WITNESS TO THE BIDEN
CONSTRUCTION.
>> Bret: CRITICS SAY NOW WE ARE
WHERE WE ARE.
YOU HAVE FORMER OR CURRENT
AMBASSADOR SONLAND WITH THE
TRANSCRIPT THAT IS RELEASED WHO
CHANGED HIS TESTIMONY.
HE SAID THERE WAS QUID PRO QUO
AS FAR AS MILITARY AID BEING
WITH HELD.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
PROCESS HOWLY GOT HERE RATHER
THAN THE SUBSTANCE WHERE WE ARE.
>> SORT OF.
BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER
SUBJECT.
I THINK THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS A
MATERIAL WITNESS TO THE BIDEN
CORRUPTION.
HE WAS THERE WHEN THE BIDEN
CORRUPTION SCANDAL WAS GOING ON.
THERE ARE REPORTS THAT ARE AIDS
TO JOE BIDEN WHO COUNSELLED IT
WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR
HIS SON TO MAKE MONEY.
THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS THERE.
WHAT DID THE WHISTLEBLOWER THINK
AND SAY TO JOE BIDEN ABOUT THE
CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH
HUNTER?
HE NEEDS TO BE INTERVIEWED FOR
THAT PURPOSE ALONE.
ALSO THE PRESIDENT'S DEFENSE
BECAUSE OF THE 6th MEANT TO THE
CONSTITUTION WILL GET TO
CONFRONT HIM.
NO JUDGE WILL TURN THAT DOWN.
HE WILL GET TO CONFRONT HIS
ACCUSER.
>> Bret: BUT THE SUBSTANCE OF
WHERE WE ARE NOW?
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT
YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PHONE CALL
AND THE FALLOUT?
>> THE ONLY THING I DISCOVERED
AFTER LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES IS
THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO
INFLUENCE THE AID TO UKRAINE.
BIDEN SAID WE WILL CUT IT OFF.
MENENDEZ SAID IF YOU DON'T KEEP
INVESTIGATING TRUMP WE WILL SCUT
YOUR AID.
MURPH SAID IF YOU INVESTIGATE
HUNTER BIDEN WE WILL GET RID OF
YOUR AID.
I WOULD SAY YOU DON'T GET ANY
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.
>> Bret: WHAT ABOUT THE CONCERN
ABOUT PROTECTING WHISTLEBLOWERS
OVERALL IF YOU NAME THIS PERSON
JEOPARDIZED OTHER THINGS.
IN 2014 CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY
FOUNDED BY YOUR DAD.
YOU SAID WE HAVE SO MANY
MILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT
CONTRACTORS WHEN THEY SEE
SOMETHING WRONG THEY SHOULD
REPORT IT WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.
YOUR DAD SHOULD WE SHOULD PRAISE
OUR WHISTLEBLOWERS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Bret: SO WHY ARE YOU DOING
THIS?
>> WE WERE DEFEND SNOWDEN WHO I
THINK HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN
WHISTLEBLOWER STATUS.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE DEFENDING THE
CURRENT WHISTLEBLOWER WANTED TO
EXECUTE SHOWDEN.
I WANT SNOWDEN PROTECTED SO HE
IS NOT EXECUTED.
>> Bret: WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY?
>> I DON'T WANT HIM EXECUTED OR
FIRED.
IT'S A PROTECTION FROM BEING
FIRED AND NOT A PROTECTION TO BE
ANONYMOUS PARTICULARLY FOR A
CRIMINAL CASE.
ONCE YOU HAVE A CRIME THERE IS A
CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION YOU
HAVE TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER.
THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO.
THAT NO COURT IN THE LAND WILL
LET THERE BE A TRIAL OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHOUT HIM
CONFRONTING HIS ACCUSERS.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE FIRED AND THIS
PERSON SHOULD NOT ARE PUT IN
JAIL.
BUT HE SHOULD COME FORWARD LIKE
SNOWDEN AND REVEAL HIMSELF.
>> Bret: YOU AGREE WITH LINDSEY
GRAHAM ON SOMETHING?
>> YES, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY
DAY OF THE WEEK.
>> Bret: WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS
GOES?
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HEADING TO AN
IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN THE HOUSE.
THEN HEAD YOUR WAY TO THE
SENATE?
>> I THINK IT WILL BE PARTISAN.
IN THE HOUSE NO REPUBLICANS
VOTED FOR THIS.
I THINK NO REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE
FOR IMPEACHMENT.
IN THE SENATE I AM NOT AWARE OF
ANY SENATOR THAT WILL VOTE FOR
IMPEACHMENT.
I THINK IN THE END THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE WILL SAY WE SHOULD BE
FAIR.
BOTHEDS HAVE TRIED TO INFLUENCE
THE AID IN UKRAINE.
WHY SHOULD WE GIVE JOE BIDEN AND