I'm talking today
to Tarek who is at the center of a long list
of what he claims are spurious false allegations
of sexual assault from various women
which has resulted in the revocation of his massage license.
Now Tarek says he drove 2,000 miles
to see me to prove his innocence.
Now I shared Tarek's videotape interview
from the field shoot with a team
of world class body language and human behavior experts
who have made some revealing observations.
Now, please welcome human behavior analyst
and co-creator of Bodylanguagetactics.com,
Scott Rouse.
Now Scott has trained alongside the FBI,
Secret Service,
US Mlitary Intelligence and Department of Defense.
Expert in human behavior and body language
and author of "Truth and Lies,
"What People Are Really Thinking,"
Mark Bowden is Harvard educated and President
of the National Communication Coach Association
of Canada.
Owner of Human Behavior
and Deception Consulting Company mind@war.com,
Greg Hartley,
is former interrogator with the United States Army.
And bestselling author of the "Ellipse Manual,"
Chase Hughes,
developed a groundbreaking world
first interrogation behavior analysis tool
that revolutionized law enforcement training
in the United States.
In short,
these gentlemen are the best of the best.
So gentlemen,
thank you for joining us today.
(audience applauding)
So you've been watching everything so far.
Any comments?
Yeah, Tarek,
I've watched your video.
I've been doing this a long time.
You've got a lot of stuff going on.
I, I'm gonna tell you,
I can see a lot of body language.
If I want to start with barriers.
When you say your business is very successful,
immediately changing.
There's an indicator of deception.
Start scratching at your scalp
when you're talking about Gmail addresses,
indicators of deception,
there's all this ever present water bottle you put
to your mouth as you get to fight or flight.
Your indicators of deception are all over you.
Look at that eyebrow you got that you keep trying
to push down.
It's a good indicator.
You can't hide your body language.
I see nothing but deception in you.
Tarek, I see indicators
of disgust from you,
disdain and contempt.
And I see those around when you talk about women,
when you talk specifically about ethics,
when you talk about the board,
when you talk even to Dr. Phil.
And that comes from the,
the nose that you make quite often
as a baseline,
the contempt that you show
in the side of your mouth,
often in the videos that I've seen,
I see an eye roll from you.
I have an eye strain.
Which is quite a juvenile gesture.
I'm sure you have an answer, Tarek,
for everything.
And that's clear,
whatever we put forward,
whatever Dr. Phil puts forward,
whatever the people who accuse you put forward,
you have an answer to that
and I can see you're under stress right now.
I can see that
from what you doing here.
It's not about eye strain.
It's about the stress that you're under right now
because you know,
as well as we do,
that you really aren't telling us everything.
Scott, let me hand over to you.
What have you got about this?
Well, what I'm seeing is part
of this treasure trove
of training that we're gonna use.
When you're talking to someone
and you're not telling the truth
what happens is usually the,
the brain has to do three things when you tell a lie.
It has to stop and say,
don't tell the lie.
Number two,
it has to create the lie.
And then number three,
it delivers the lie.
And that's where you get,
you need time to make that lie up
because there's that space there.
That's what you're using that water bottle for.
Also most people are under
the impression when you are being dishonest,
you'll break eye contact with them.
That's not true.
Most of the time the person will keep eye contact with them.
This is what you're doing.
Your blink rate goes way low when you're,
when you're listening to someone like you're listening
to me now.
You blink like two times right?
So what you're doing is,
once you tell a lie,
you're waiting to see what information is gonna come back
and to see if you need to add
what are called qualifiers to that.
To say I,
here's why,
what you've done with Dr. Phil,
through that whole little discussion you all had there.
I mean you see the eyebrow is rising.
And you keep saying,
you have an eye problem.
You don't have an eye problem.
You have a truth problem.
And that other eye is closing to try to get away
from the problem.
And that eyebrow is showing us you're trying
to adjust the wrong eye buddy.
Well can I just say something?
Sure. I've spent thousands
of dollars and had serious eye surgery,
at least four.
And this one's like my really bad eye.
Like there's a ton of astigmatism.