- Before we begin this show, I have to first
pose this question to Michael.
Michael, do you know about your wife, Sue's, passionate love
affair with Joshua?
Yes, I do.
OPRAH: You do.
Well in a moment--
he does-- Michael is going to hear
the sordid details about his wife's thing for Joshua.
Mhm.
Look at his face.
Oh.
Despite appearances, Sue Gilbert really
has nothing to feel ashamed or guilty about,
nor should Michael be upset, because the reason
is that Sue's romance with Joshua occurred in a past life.
OK.
Stay with me.
Listen up.
Today, spouses are going to hear some really
unbelievable accounts of what their spouse
was doing in a past life.
Let me tell you, there was some stuff going on in the past.
We recently invited couples from past shows of ours
to undergo past life therapy.
So if these people look familiar to you,
it's because you might have seen them on this show before.
We invited them back to see if it gave them
any answers to their conflicts or explain why they were drawn
together in the first place.
Carl and Karen have been married now 17 years
and they have eight children.
Let's give them an Academy Award for that.
[APPLAUSE]
Couple of Oscars.
Eight children.
That's tough to do these days.
They appeared on a show called "The Marriage
Lab" to talk about how they work out their differences
peacefully.
Michael and Susan Gilbert have been married now for eight
years, and they have two boys.
You may remember them as the bickering couple from this show
that we did about how spouse fights make you sick.
Well-- yeah.
I was just taking his blood pressure to see how sick he was
gonna get over the argument.
Well, guiding the couples through past lives
are two hypnotherapist from the Association for Past
Life Research and Therapies.
There's a lot of this going on these days.
Janet Taylor is a former skeptic who has now become a believer.
Nothing like a skeptic turned believer.
And Dr. Hazel Denning is possibly
the most experienced regressionist in the world,
with 35 years of practice.
She is also a doctor of psychology
and is former president of the Association
for Past Life Research.
So let's begin with Michael and Sue.
They decided to work on their bickering problem,
since that's their biggest problem, as you can see
from their last TV appearance.
OK.
Did you see my hands were full with something?
No.
You were at the door taking your boots off.
I was walking across the--
And how was I supposed to know-- no,
you were not walking across. - --the living room floor.
- And I said-- - Yes, I was.
--can you take Matt? I'm going to go--
The boots are as big as him. You talking about?
I said, can you take Matt?
I'm going to go and pick up Michael.
Sue went under.
Michael wasn't successful because not everybody is.
I haven't done it because I don't think I can be.
But anyway, and it all began with her marriage to Joshua.
Sue recalled that it was 1780 when she married Joshua.
We go for a carriage ride.
We sit under a nice tree having a picnic.
Joshua was telling me--
DR. DENNING: See, you did know his name.
[LAUGHS] - Yeah.
DR. DENNING: It just slipped out, didn't it?
OK, Joshua was telling you what?
He was telling me that when he's a little older,
he'd like to run his own place.
DR. DENNING: Mhm.
Nobody could talk to me the way
Josh could talk, make me laugh.
I knew Josh was my man.
So the night-- the night that we got engaged,
my dad first told me that Josh was
gonna come to call for dinner.
And I just knew.
And he had told me what Josh had been planning,
and asked me how I felt about Josh.
And I told my father that I loved Josh very much.
And we got engaged.
I had a big ruby ring, four little diamonds around it.
That was my engagement ring.
I had a beautiful, pale blue dress.
DR. DENNING: Made in Paris?
Mhm.
It was like an ice blue.
DR. DENNING: Go to your death in that life.
How long did you live?
I was about 65.
DR. DENNING: Well, that was a good long life, wasn't it?
Mhm.
DR. DENNING: And did you live as long as you did?
No.
DR. DENNING: He died before you did?
About five years before.
DR. DENNING: What was your last conscious dying thought death,
just before your spirit left your body?
Josh.
DR. DENNING: You're still thinking of him.
Mhm.
I had a beautiful life.
DR. DENNING: You had a beautiful life.
It sounds like you did.
Mhm.
DR. DENNING: But where was Michael?
Sue did locate Michael, the husband that she's married
to in this lifetime, in that lifetime,
though she was in no position to get involved with him.
Take a look at this.
Michael was my girlfriend's husband.
DR. DENNING: When?
When I knew Josh.
DR. DENNING: Oh, way back then?
He was Kitty's husband.
DR. DENNING: He was what?
Kitty's husband.
Kitty-- Katherine.
My girlfriend. DR. DENNING: Your girlfriend?
So he was your girlfriend's husband?
Mhm.
DR. DENNING: Did you know each other very well?
Mhm.
I liked him a lot.
DR. DENNING: You were good friends.
Mhm.
DR. DENNING: Did you think you loved each other?
I liked him from the beginning.
He was a very nice man.
DR. DENNING: Yes.
I was attracted to him.
DR. DENNING: Mhm.
But I had my marriage vows.
DR. DENNING: Sure.
Adam.
DR. DENNING: His name was Adam?
Michael was Adam.
DR. DENNING: Oh, so you liked him, too.
Yeah. I liked him.
DR. DENNING: How long were you friends?
'Til the day I died.
Wow.
Now, I know that there are many, many, many
of you who are so skeptical.
Even in this audience, you should see the faces
as they're looking at the tape.
What'd you think of that, Sue?
I was very skeptical myself.
I mean, even when I went home, I just
couldn't believe that I was actually
saying what I was saying.
OPRAH: Yeah, 'cause you sound very lucid.
It was just really odd.
I mean, but I went home and I was so peaceful with myself,
but I just kept-- the last few days,
too, I keep telling everyone, I'm like,
I don't know if I still believe it.
I mean, how do I know I'm not saying something that I've
read about or dreamed about?
OPRAH: So when you're doing it-- because I haven't done it.
I'm scared to do it.
I'm really scared to do it.
Also, I'm not sure.
I'm not-- care who I was.
I really don't, because I'm having
a good time in this lifetime. This is a good one right here.
[LAUGHTER]
But I'm a little scared to do it--