I reject that.
I reject the idea of modern neurologist
that might feel that depression
is genetically inherited ...
or just a re...product of genetic damage.
The reason I don't believe that is
I work with so many people -
alcoholics, drug addicts, people with a prison record -
and I took that out in one session.
So if it was genetic, it wouldn't come out.
That's how I know it works ...
and I don't know if you save the letters, do you?
That [the letters] we get from people, that said
"I was about to turn my life in."
I have no reason.
You gave me a reason to live and work."
So that's all I can go by - not genetics.
I can't do anything with genetics.
If a doctor says "Someday
we'll have a cure for cancer",
that may encourage a person.
But it won't encourage me,
unless I say "What is your approach?"
and they give me an approach.
That would encourage me if I had cancer.
Do you understand?
If the guy says
"I'm sure, you will get well!
Have faith in yourself."
Cancer don't give a shit about that.
It just keeps multiplying.
You might live a week longer - or three weeks longer -
if you have self-confidence.
But always ask a person ...
like nobody asks any of these Tea Group people:
"What would you do under these circumstances?
How would you solve this problem?
How would you get the Democrats to see the Republican point of view?
They never talk about that.
They talk about their own limitations.
I would say therefore, most capitalists
that drive that system
are very simple people with a low self-image.
Now I did mention in the past
that psychologist have a higher suicide rate than normal.
That means they undergo depression.
And if they really ask the question: "What is depression?"
say "I don't know",
then a guy writes a theory of genetics, of the genes.
That doesn't take away the depression.
Do you understand that?
Taking drugs might tranquilize you,
or drinking alcohol, when you are depressed,
might take you out of your self-image.
You just sit there and look around.
It makes you feel relaxed and comfortable.
Next day [there] is a hangover and a depression,
if you don't deal with it.
Now, you can't deal with it,
if you don't even know how to go about looking into it.
So let me show you
how you go about looking into "What is a depression?"
You read the books on genetics and you understand
that pills can make a person feel more in equilibrium.
Is the chemistry of the body in equilibrium?
If you are depressed: Yes.
Your digestive system stops, alot of other things manifest themselves.
But if you feel positive about what you're doing ...
If you're sawing a tree down and say
"I hate to do this",
well, you poison yourself.
Do you understand what I mean?
Anything you do that you don't like …
But if you say
"I have to repair that model or clean it
and that's gonna take about two and a half hours."
That depends on your predictability.
If it takes five hours
you might be disappointed -
not in the vision, not into the thing -
in your estimation!
Do you understand? It's your own estimation.
If you figure it should take you
three days to do a given job ...
If it takes 23 days you then may get disappointed.
Say "I don't know how long it'll take but I'm gonna check it out."
And you do a certain amount of work
and you predict the next,
and when it comes close ...
You can use that method of predictability.
Is there anything ... did you get this message?
This is how you deal with depressed people ...
and that's what depression is ...
unless you have further questions.
Put it out there, let's see how it works.
If you get a response saying "You know, that really helped alot ..."
Psychiatrist don't even know, what the question is.
They think some people are depressed and others aren't ...
and some are 'happy go lucky', no matter what.
The have a self-image even though it is false.
If you feel ...
if you are a minister and you administer people's problems,
they feel good about it,
you feel you're doing something usefull.
There are ministers that feel
that they are administering to human need,
and as long as the person says
"God bless you. Thank you, you've helped me alot."
Whatever the minister did, helped them.
But if the minister was an operational linguist
and he helped them to understand what they are going through
and why people get depressed,
I think that's better than comforting 'em and say
"You will pull out of it. I have every confidence that you will!"
But if your minister says that, there may be a basis for it ...
but it's not real.
Knowing the difference is the problem.
Well, the Tea Party
is a group of people
that believe in the structure of this economic system.
Why? Because they're successfull in it.
A military man that's awarded a higher position,
if he gets to be Captain or Lieutenant Colonel,
he gets reward for it.
So he feels very proud.
The more merit badges he has, the greater he feels.
If a Nazi has a lot of merit badges
the Jew won't feel too good about that.
But the Nazi feels great about it. Do you understand?
So what is a reinforcer?
Whatever the hell reinforces people,
except alcohol.
That's a dependancy that makes you feel like you don't ...
You lose your identity under alcohol.
Say "Did I say that when i was drunk?"
'cause you don't even know what you said.
That means you don't have your own identity.
Identity means
"Fresco likes to walk in the sun.
He likes to make things.
He likes to talk to people about their problems.
But he feels that …"
If I share the tools that I have and say
"Keep coming to me."
... and I never give them my tools, I do not help people really,
unless I give them the tools that I have.
The same tools that enable me to solve a problem.
Okay?
But I rather not give these tools out,
because I'm afraid of the culture.
They'll commercialize on it, use it and ...
but they won't change the way people think about things.
Not only depression,
I try to change the way people think about most everything.
Now, if you don't understand what I'm saying,
you might even hate, what I'm saying,
or say "That doesn't answer the question."
(Meadows) I remember in your old lectures
you used to tell people to write a list
when you are not ... when you're feeling better, when you're not depressed.
Write a list about all the things you like to do,
all the things you don't like to do
And then when you're depressed look at the list
and just do those things you like to do.
(Fresco) But when you're depressed
you don't feel like doing it.
(Meadows) But you used to use that as a tool, didn't you?
(Fresco) Yeah, well ... it worked at the time.
All I can say about ...
I'm giving you the focal point of a depression:
Loss of self-image.
"Who am I? Where am I going?
What is my life about? I don't know.
I don't even know …
if I'd be successfull in anything."
That's no self-image.
You're always successfull to something.
You can always teach somebody something.
You're not totally ... a total failure.
If a person comes to me and says
"I'm depressed." That's better,
if they come here.
Well, you give 'em a social awareness ...
that football is really a little spot in entertainment.
But when you inform people it changes a lot of things.
See, football just makes the game pleasant
but if you lose, you're depressed.
And they get into fights alot.
I don't know if you know that ... all over the world.
So it isn't a good thing,
no competetive sports ...
When a guy hits a golf ball and it misses
he throws the stick down on the ground.
„The Put“, is that what you call it?
He throws it down on the ground, he feels bad.
And when the audience applauds when he hits it
and it goes into the hole ... they applaud.
That makes him feel good.
He has a self-image.
But when he hits it and it doesn't go into the hole
the audience just looks on,
and they don't reinforce him.
So if I designed a magnetic system in the hole
and a steel ball in the golf …
even if he missed it ... it would be going into the hole ... you know?
What do you want?
It's such a ridiculous game ...
of hitting a golf ball and looking for it.
What a ridiculous game.
... or racing cars around in a circle.
If you get your kicks outta that
it's because you have a low self-image
and you love it when the audience says
"You won that race, you did a beautiful job!"
You know … that is a moment in time,
but the things we are working on are everything:
the games of the future, things of that sort.
Now, a game of the future, typical game of the future
is not made by people who make games.
They would be like this:
There'd be a map,
and then you find out which state has most cancer
and you put these little beads there ...
and the other state that has the least amount of cancer ...
When you through playing the game
you'd know what the hell exists in America.
You'd know the states with the highest divorce rate,
the highest crime rate,
where there is more poverty.
If you find out that poverty encourages aberrant behavior
then, if you don't want to do anything about it you don't understand that problem.
If you give a working man a little above the standard of living,
so he can buy a television set, a radio,
a cell phone.
If you just give him enough to live on
you don't build a steady person, a loyal person.
If a person has a little more than they need,
they'll come back to work.
If you give them more than they need
they won't show up.
So the money system kills incentives to go to work.
People say "Fuck it, I'm not going in. I'm gonna call in sick."
Did you ever hear that?
So they call in sick ...
but that isn't the answer.
"You should be obedient to your corporation",
that's a control device, you know?
"I love my company."
If you love your company
... that's no self-image at all.
The union has a self-image.
They'd like to see the company succeed,
but they'd like a piece of the action.
So instead of making $18 a week
they go in strike and they get $25 a week,
but the company loses the competitive edge,
'cause they have to raise the price of their product.
So they hate unions,
because that lowers their standard of living.
The unions love unions
- the members -
it raises their standard of living.
Everybody is right, that's the trouble with the world,
but nobody knows what to do.
Nobody wants to give up their position of advantage.
I don't know how much of this you gonna stick out there … okay.
Take it from here.