How are you doing, sir?
How are you?
Good.
So what's your view about the Shariah law anyway? Do you think it's something...
I'm going to destroy it before it destroys me.
So you're going to destroy the Shariah law?
Yes, I will help to destroy it.
Sure. When you say Shariah law, do you mean a country?
Because the law itself doesn't exist without a country implementing it.
Are you kidding me? The Shariah law is all over this country right now.
Would you mind giving some examples of...?
Yeah, there's courts, that are Shariah law courts.
And where are they?
I don't... I am a visitor.
But you're making claims, right? Would you like to substantiate some of your claims?
Do you have a card? I'll email you. I have all the information that you want.
So basically you...
Give me your card and I will email... I'll get your back.
It's not about card, i just want to ask you simply,
if you have heard about Shariah courts in operation in England...
I had seen it on YouTube.
YouTube?
So basically your knowledge about Islam and Shariah law all comes from YouTube.
A lot of things comes from YouTube...
No, now you're being disingenuous, and you're being a liar. There are Shariah laws all over this country.
Don't deny that.
First of all, don't play games with me. Okay? Don't screw around me.
Shariah law is here now. And our job is to get it out of here. That's our job.
What's wrong with the Jewish law? And what's wrong with the Shariah law?
You know what? You're playing games with me.
And don't screw around with me.
I am not talking about Judaism. I'm talking about Shariah law.
We are all English people here, I'm not an American. But I have come here...
How do you speak for the English then if you're American?
No, excuse me.
I've come to support England and the English people and
that means their way of life their language, their culture, and their courts, the way of life.
As a Jew...
You say they're one common language. Most of the culture in Britain is
American culture actually, as a matter of fact.
Well that's unfortunate.
Most of the culture in this country is American culture, and these fascists going about in England what they should be going
on about is the American culture. Never mind the Shariah law, it's the American culture.
You are so mislead.
America will not lift a sword against England. But Muslims will.
I don't know, 300 million Americans, I promise you, you won't find one American
that will harm anyone in England. But I can think about a billion Muslims that will.
May I come to the question again? Comparing the Shariah law with the laws from Judaism,
No, you're just... Don't screw around me. No no, don't play games with me.
No no, you're playing games.
It's a provocative thing, I'll say it again. I am here to... I am here to support.
I am here to support England and the English people.
And I am not talking about Israel or Judaism.
That's up to you. The question I am simply asking is this...
Excuse me.
When we hear that in Judaism, there's a loss of apostasy for example, the laws to deal with homosexuality, like
for example, the homosexuals...
When were they last implemented?
May I finish my question?
We hear in the Judaic law in the text in the Torah
that God even turned upside down Sodom and Gomorrah, because they are practicing Sodomy.
And there are clear laws for example of those who commit homosexuality they should be all put
to death, likewise. Anyone who changes his or her religion should be put to death.
We find that in the old testament. Do you...
I'm a rabbi, so you're a liar.
This means you are a liar.
I haven't finished.
No, I'm going to say right now. The whole...
I haven't finished my question.
Would you allow me to finish?
Don't tell me that we kill people...
I am not accusing anyone. I am saying what we know and what we hear.
When we read the old testament of the Jewish people, like Jewish publication society, JPS
published the Bible, the old testament for the Jewish people. It is the same there, the laws are
there that for example, "Anyone who commits apostasy, leaves their religion they should
be put to death." Now...
That's not true, that's a lie.
Excuse me, I haven't finished.
You're a liar. Wait a minute. Let's establish the fact that you're a liar.
Why do you not allow me to finish? What's wrong with hearing?
Tell the truth and then talk about it.
Be honest.
In Leviticus, is there a law dealing with punishment giving capital punishments?
Crimes with capital punishments.
Absolutely.
You see, I don't have a problem with this. This is your book.
Yeah, no. Go ahead, that's true.
In Shariah law, that we know of, there are also laws of apostasy.
To kill the apostates, that we hear.
We also hear this in the old testament the Jewish people
and most Muslims, they have the same law to dealing with apostasy.
One example, secondly, if the other example of homosexuality...
It is not about implementation, it is about text. So if you find for example, the texts are the basis of
the law are there in both the religions, then why are you against Shariah law when it's in your own religion?
Let me answer this question. Here's the answer to the question.
The Jews will never ever raise a hand to a person from England. Ever. The difference is, is that the
radical Muslims will. And they say they would kill people in England. Now...
May I quote this verse from the old testament, the Torah, right? This is in Deuteronomy 13 verse 6. You know it?
No, but wait a minute.
Let me read it.
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom,
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly saying,
Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
of the Gods of the peoples that are round about you, nigh unto thee or
far from of thee from the end of the earth or even at the end."
Now can you prove this?
That's right.
Do you wanna hear yourself speak?
No no, he's right. Now I am gonna answer the question.
So what your saying is Judais...
"But thou so surely kill him:
So I find... And continues: "Thy hand shall be first upon him to put
him to death." and afterwards...
Did you have this ready from rally today?
So what we found...
The question I raised, look. I don't have a problem with any of your attacks.
The question I ask is this: ...
You've asked your question.
No no, I haven't.
Let me ask, please. Allow me to...
You are saying Shariah law and Judaism are the same.
Allow me to finish.
Okay, go ahead.
I have read from your own holy scripture, where God is giving you a command,
the command is, if someone serves other than the God of Israel, you should surely kill him.
That's right.
So that is the law of apostasy, if someone apostates from worshiping God of Israel...
No, actually Muslims don't serve the God of Israel...
You are not a Rabbi, I am.
You should put them to death.
Now keep your mouth shut while I answer you.
I haven't even finished.
Yes, you are. You are done.
You are being... You are actually very...
No, first of all...
Not a good listener, are you?
Wait, let me explain. No.
First of all, here's how it works. You have to have two witnesses. Male, 13 years or over.
And in front of those two witnesses you must say to the man: "Are you aware that you are going
against God's law?" And then the guy says: "Yes." You must in front of those two witnesses
you ask him again: "One more time, maybe you didn't hear me. Are you aware that you are going against
God's will?" At that point you bring the person to obey deem, judges. Now what Muslim do you know
would wait around for all that process to happen? I don't know one. They'd slit the guy's throat...
Don't screw around with me.
After all this, I would like to know what happens to the apostates.
No no, it never has happened.
It's never happened, it's never... Wait it has never happened. The situation is so rare .
Really?
So completely rare. Unlike what you believe, if you just see somebody that you think is against
Allah, you kill them right then and there.
We don't do that. No, we don't do that.
So in response,
Are they not refused in Israel, who don't believe in God.
And they don't worship the God of Israel. What would you do to them?
Not a damn thing.
Because there is no...
My question is, in Israel there are lot of Jewish people who don't believe in God...
And what happens to them?
Would you kill them?
No.
So you would not believe in these text, the law God has given you?
No. Because the law is you bring the person to the ????
Now let me explain something that...
Would you do that? would you bring them to the...
Keep your mouth shut, I'm talking to you.
Excuse me, this is not a good manner.
In England, we have manners.
You're a provocateur.
In America, we don't.
How it works, since the destruction of the temple,
there is no more laws like that.
What is the law of homosexuality?
If someone is a homosexual, according to Jewish law...
Not a damn thing. I could care less.
According to God's law in the old testament...
God created homosexuals.
What is the punishment for homosexuals?
Again. You have to have 2 witnesses,
13 years or older, that believe in the Torah,
to come up to him and say: "Do you realize that you're a [ __ ]?"
And then what happens?
And the guy says: "Yes." And then he says... Wait. And then if he says:
"Do yo realize that you're going as it?" Then you bring him to the court in Jerusalem, the problem is
the Jerusalem was destroyed, there is no more court, so therefore all the
laws you're stating, cannot be adjudicated. It's a mood issue. You are wrong about that.
What do you say about the very law which says "Kill the homosexuals."? Not the application of it
or an implementation of it. The very law that exists in your holy Bible, the holy scriptures...
What do you say about that?
I am asking you as a Rabbi.
What do you say about that?
Brother, in response. I am not a rabbi, and I'm not a mullah. You are.
So as a rabbi...
I told you...
Let me state my question.
As a rabbi,
you have a command of God, where God says "Kill the homosexuals."
Do you think God was right in giving this command?
Are you serious?
And the answer is?
You're on tape mate. And the answer is?
Whatever it says in the Torah, is straight from God's will.
So God was right to command: "Kill the homosexual."?
That's right.
And God was right also to command to kill the aspotates?
There's a law, but see what you...
Now do you see why some people consider this law and Shariah law are...
You are a liar.
I just explained...
Wait, let me finish.
I explained to you. But you don't want to hear what I am saying, because you are a provocateur.
It will never happen that somebody would be killed
by that because there's no court.
In the old testament time...
There is no court.
We are not talking about now.
And you think Shariah law is...
We have to go.
The point you're making is this, the bible or the old testament with the Jewish people,
You are saying the old testament with the Jewish people,
even though it's from God, it needs to be formed and changed
to the modern standards of England and in America, right?
What he's trynna say is that we are like them.
So I am like you?
I am like you? (x2)
In what way?
Am I like you?
In what way?
Do you wanna kill homosexuals?
No.
No? Why not?
Because I am not the authority.
Oh, but the authority will.
In the Jewish authority, they have the power to kill the homosexuals.
Ok, let's go.
Are you... By the way, do you believe in God or not?