LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOLKS YOU KNOW MY NEXT GUEST TONIGHT, FROM
"GAME OF THRONES" "THE WIFE" AND "BRAZIL.
HE JUST RECEIVED A GOLDEN GLOBE NOMINATION FOR HIS ROLE AS POPE
FRANCIS IN "THE TWO POPES."
PLEASE WELCOME JONATHAN PRYCE!
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>> Stephen: NICE TOW MEET YOU.
>> CAN I GO NOW?
>> Stephen: NO, WE'VE LOCKED THE DOORS FOR THE NEXT 10
MINUTES.
YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.
CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU JUST GOT NOMINATED FOR A GOLDEN GLOBE FOR YOUR
PERFORMANCE AS FRANCIS "THE TWO POPES."
FANTASTIC.
WAS IT FATED?
WAS IT JUST DESTINY THAT YOU WOULD PLAY THIS PART EVENTUALLY?
BECAUSE EVEN BEFORE, EVEN BEFORE THIS MOVIE EXISTED EVERYONE SAID
YOU LOOKED LIKE FRANCISO OR FRANCIS LOOKED LIKE ME.
>> HE LOOKED LIKE ME.
I WAS FAMOUS FIRST.
>> Stephen: HERE'S YOU.
IN CASE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE FROM SITTING
THERE.
AND HERE'S FRANCIS.
COME ON.
OBVIOUSLY-- YOU MOISTURIZE AND HE DOESN'T.
>> IT'S A BIG SURPRISE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHO I SEE WHEN I LOOK
IN THE MIRROR.
>> Stephen: OH, REALLY?
>> NO, I'M MORE BRAD PITT IN THE MIRROR.
>> Stephen: SURE, SURE.
BRAD PITT WILL EVENTUALLY PLAY YOU IN YOUR LIFE STORY.
THERE'S A LOT OF THEATERICALITY IN CATHOLICISM.
I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
WERE YOU RAISED CATHOLIC?
>> NO, WELSH PRESBYTERIAN.
>> Stephen: THERE'S GREAT PRODUCTION VALUE IN CATHOLICISM.
>> THERE IS.
>> Stephen: IT'S VERY THEATRICAL.
HOW DID IT FEEL TO PLAY A POPE?
>> YOU SEE, THE ROBES, ACTUALLY, CARDINALS AND POPES, THEY'RE
VERY SIMPLE.
THEY'RE BEAUTIFULLY CUT, LOVELY MATERIAL.
>> Stephen: SURE.
>> THERE'S NO CLASHING COLORS.
>> Stephen: RIGHT.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO WEAR WHEN
YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING.
I LIKE IT.
>> Stephen: AND ALSO, YOU KNOW WHAT TEAM YOU'RE ON.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: YOU'VE GOT SCARLET, YOU'RE A BISHOP-- OR A
CARDINAL.
>> CARDINAL.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE WHITE.
>> YOU'RE THE MAN.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE MUSEUM ROW UNO, BABY.
THE EXTRAORDINARY THING ABOUT THIS STORY IS THERE ARE TWO
NUMERO UNOS THERE.
>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED "THE POPE."
AND THEN THEY CAST ANTHONY HOPKINS AND HIS AGENT SAID THERE
SHOULD BE TWO POPES.
SO IT'S TWO POPES.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: SO YOU GUYS ARE BOTH WELSHMEN.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: PLAYING A GERMAN POPE AND AN ARGENTINEAN POPE.
HAD YOU GUYS PERFORMED TOGETHER BEFORE?
DID YOU GUYS KNOW EACH OTHER?
>> WE'RE BOTH ON A RECORDING BY DYLAN THOMAS THAT GEORGE MARTIN
PRODUCED 27, 28 YEARS AGO.
TONY WAS THEN-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE POEM-- THERE ARE
TWO NARRATORS.
IS AND TONY WAS VOICE NUMBER ONE AND I WAS VOICE NUMBER TWO.
>> Stephen: WOW.
>> AND I WAS OKAY WITH IT.
BUT THEN YOU CUT TO 27 YEARS LATER, AND WE'RE IN ROME, AND
YOU GET THE CALL SHEET FOR THE NEXT DAY'S FILMING, AND A NUMBER
IS NEXT TO YOUR CHARACTER, AND YOU'RE RATED ACCORDING TO YOUR
IMPORTANCE TO THE FILM.
AND I WAS NUMBER ONE, AND TONY WAS NUMBER TWO.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: CONGRATULATIONS.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
( APPLAUSE )
FRIENDS DURING THE FILMING.
AND EVERY MORNING HE WOULD GREET ME WITH, "MORNING, NUMBER ONE."
AND I SAID, "MORNING, NUMBER TWO."
HE SIGNED HIS EMAILS TO ME AS "SIR NUMBER TWO."
HE GETS HIS OWN WAY.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE A CLIP HERE OF TH "THE TWO POPES."
DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CLIP?
>> NO.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE ARE TWO POPES.
>> TWO POPES.
>> Stephen: AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: JIM.
>> WHY DO THE PRESIDENTS OF AMERICA AND RUSSIA AND CHINA
COME TO YOU?
BECAUSE, UNLIKE THEM, YOUR AUTHORITY COMES FROM THE FACT
THAT YOU WILL SUFFER AND DIE IN THE JOB.
A MARTYR TO JUSTICE AND TRUTH.
FOR THIS, ALL PEOPLE COME.
FORGIVE ME, BUT...
>> BUT?
>> CHRIST DID NOT COME DOWN FROM THE CROSS.
>> AH.
BUT ALWAYS GRANTED THE RIGHT WORDS.
>> NO, A POPE MUST GO ON FOREVER.
BE THE PERSONIFICATION OF THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST.
IF YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL DAMAGE THE PAINALCY FOREVER.
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: WHEN YOU ARE-- IN PLAYING FRANCIS, LIKE, DID YOU
HAVE TO STUDY UP?
HOW DO YOU, LIKE-- HOW DO YOU DO A RIDE-ALONG, LIKE, TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO BE POPE?
WHAT'S THE RESEARCH INVOLVED?
>> WELL, THE RESEARCH-- IT WASN'T REALLY RESEARCH, BUT IT
STARTED THE DAY HE WAS CREATED POPE BECAUSE HE WAS THE FIRST
POPE IN MY LIFETIME THAT I HAD LISTENED TO.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD HE WAS SPEAKING-- NOT JUST TO MOW BUT
MILLIONS OF OTHERS, NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH, BUT ABOUT WORLD
ISSUES, ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD LIVE OUR LIVES.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, THE INEQUALITY OF
LIFE.
SO I IDENTIFIED WITH HIM.
AND SO WHEN I WAS OFFERED THE CHANCE TO PLAY HIM, I JUMPED AT
IT.
BUT IT HELPED.
I LOOKED A BIT LIKE HIM.
BUT IT-- I STUDIED HIS MOVEMENTS AND THINGS, WATCHING LOTS OF
YOUTUBE.
I FOUND YOUTUBE OF HIM WHERE HE WASN'T THE SMILING, AVUNCULAR
POPE ON THE BALCONY OF ROME WHEN HE'S DECLARED POPE.
HE COMES WAY HISTORY, A VERY CHECKERED HISTORY.
HE'S STILL SEEN AS A DIVISIVE PERSON IN ARGENTINA BECAUSE OF
HIS POSSIBLE COLLABORATION WITH THE CORALS.
AND IT'S TALKED ABOUT IN THIS FILM.
AND THE ARGENTINEAN AUDIENCE WE SHOWED IT TO LAST WEEK THANKED
US FOR NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THE DARK MOMENT IN THEIR HISTORY AND
HIS HISTORY.
YOU SEE THE UNSMILING POPE AND YOU SEE THE MAN HE BECOMES.
PEOPLE ASK ME HOW DIBUILD THE CHARACTER?
I SAY I DIDN'T, HE DID.
AND I FOLLOWED IT.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE GIG?
WOULD YOU WANT TO BE POPE?
>> NO.
NO.
I THINK-- IT'S-- HE TALKS-- YOU SEE IT, AND HE TALKS ABOUT WHERE
IT'S A LONELY LIFE.
AND THEY BOTH TALK ABOUT BEING-- FEELING THAT THEY'RE ALONE.
>> Stephen: WELL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MOVIE, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
LOVELY TO MEET YOU.
>> THANK YOU, STEPHEN.
>> Stephen: "THE TWO POPES" IS AVAILABLE ON NETFLIX TOMORROW.
JONATHAN PRYCE, EVERYBODY!
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.