>> IM GOING TO WORK ON THAT
DISCUSSION.
IM NOT WALKING AWAY FROM THAT.
>> WHY ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT ON
HIS REACTION, PRESIDENT BIDEN?
>> WHEN DID I SAY THAT?
>> YOU SAID IN SIX MONTHS YOU
WOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT.
>> I SAID WHAT WILL CHANGE THEIR
BEHAVIOR IS WHEN THE REST OF THE
WORLD DIMINISHES HIS STANDING IN
THE WORLD.
IM NOT CONFIDENT OF ANYTHING.
IM JUST STATING A FACT.
>> Reporter: GIVEN HIS PAST HAS
NOT CHANGED AFTER THAT PRESS
CONFERENCE SITTING DOWN WITH YOU FOR SEVERAL HOURS, HE DENIED ANY
FOR SEVERAL HOURS, HE DENIED ANY
INVOLVEMENT IN SIGNCYBERATTACKS,
DEALT
-- HOW IS THAT GIVING YOU
CONFIDENCE?
>> I WAS ABOUT TO USE THE PHRASE
PRAGMATIC DIPLOMACY, AND THEN WE
GOT A SOMEWHAT -- I THINK THE
PRESIDENT GOT HIS BACK UP THERE
A LITTLE BIT, KASIE, ABOUT THE
IMPLICATION THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS
EXPRESSING CONFIDENCE THAT
COULDNT CHANGE HIS BEHAVIOR.
AND THEN PRETTY DISMISSIVE OF
THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AS IF YOU
DONT UNDERSTAND HOW DIPLOMACY
WORKS.
AND I THINK -- I FEEL LIKE THAT
WAS HIM SAYING -- AND THERES
PERHAPS GOING TO BE SOME -- WE
HAD SOME FOLKS IN OUR EAR WHO
SAID HE REALLY HAS TO PUSH BACK
ON THE WHAT-ABOUTISMS AND HE HAS
TO DO THIS, AND SOME SAYING
MAYBE HE DIDNT DO IT.
HE CLEARLY HAD A POSTURE OF THE
PHRASE I WANT TO USE WHICH IS
PRAGMATIC DIPLOMACY, LIKE, LOOK,
HE IS WHO HE IS.
WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND.
I THINK I KNOW WHERE HE STANDS.
WE EXPRESSED THIS AND WELL SEE
WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT?
IT WAS THIS, IM NOT GOING TO
SIT HERE AND SAY ITS GOING TO
GO GREAT, BUT I STILL BELIEVE IN
THIS ONE ON ONE.
LOOK, HE TRIED TO EMBRACE THE
AREAS WHERE HE THOUGHT PUTIN DID
WANT TO EMBRACE AS WELL.
IT WAS -- ITS JUST AN
INTERESTING POSTURE.
I VIEWED IT -- AT ONE POINT I
WROTE PROFESSOR BIDEN BECAUSE I
THOUGHT HE WAS BASICALLY TRYING
TO BE ABOVE DID,IT, BE ABOVE THE
MEETING AND EXPLAIN, GUYS, HES
GOT A GAME, THE RUSSIANS HAVE
THIS CHINA ISSUE, THEY THINK WE
HAVE A CHINA ISSUE, ESSENTIALLY.
RUSSIA IS GOING TO HAVE A CHINA
ISSUE SOON.
I ACTUALLY THOUGHT FOR QUITE A
WHILE IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
>> SO THAT PHRASE "RISE ABOVE"
IS EXACTLY THE ONE I WAS GOING
TO USE, BECAUSE HE EVEN WALKS
OUT ONTO THE STAGE, LOOKS AT THE
REPORTERS AND SAYS, OH, I JUST
FINISHED MY LAST MEETING.
I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE MOST
INTERESTED IN THIS ONE BUT I HAD
ALL THESE OTHER MEETINGS.
THAT WAS SO CAREFULLY
CHOREOGRAPHED TO SHOW HE WAS EM
BRAGS
EMBRACING OUR ALLIES IN A WAY
THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT DIDNT.
HE KEPT USING THE PHRASE
"STRATEGIC ABILITY," BASICALLY
TRYING TO RISE ABOVE ALL THE
WAYS IN WHICH VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS
TRYING TO GET A RISE OUT OF HIM,
CREATE HIS OWN REALITY.
I HAD A VERY BRIEF ANSWER
RESPONSE ON JANUARY 6 WHICH OF
COURSE PUTIN RAISED, EVEN WHEN
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
CYBERCRIMES.
PUTIN CAME OUT THERE AND SAID,
OH, WERE NOT EVEN ON THE LIST
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ENGAGED IN
THIS.
OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE, BUT
BIDEN TRIED TO RISE ABOVE IT.
AT THE END THERE, THAT FLASH OF
ANGER, I THOUGHT, WAS
EXTRAORDINARILY TELLING IN THAT
HE HAD SORT OF KEPT HIS COOL ALL
THE WAY UP UNTIL THEN, AND THEN,
OF COURSE, HE FINISHED HIS LIST
OF ACTUAL REPORTERS.
HE COULD NEVER QUITE GET OFF THE
STAGE WITHOUT TRYING TO TAKE
THAT LAST QUESTION.
>> THATS WHY WE DONT CUT IN
TOO QUICKLY.
HELL TAKE THE CHALLENGE.
>> AND HE DID.
HE STOOD THERE AND SAID HES NOT