welcome back everybody welcome back to exotic carplay place. Mark here checking
back with you talking about reliability and our BMW M cars that unreliable what
is the reliability concerns related to a lot of the different M cars right here
we have migrated E60 m5 and if you guys have been watching YouTube lately
you'll notice Doug de Miro just recently did a video about the exact same car is
this and he talked about how it was horrifically unreliable to the point
where nobody wants these cars everybody's running away from them and
while he admitted it is a ridiculously fun car to drive not in his words but of
course he admitted that it was a great car no driver particularly in a
six-speed manual transmission he continually throughout there the fact
that these cars are notoriously unreliable and while some of that is not
necessarily untrue of course a lot of those problems are pretty consistent
through a lot of different cars but there's a lot of very happy owners let's
head down to the dealer and we'll talk about some of the em cars and why you
would consider them to be unreliable we'll address a bunch of different
models so let's go take a look guys
so so far this car here happens to be very reliable we're looking at an m4 so
we have a beautiful little m4 this is the new 1 3 liter turbo 6 that produces
425 horsepower these cars are showing up to be quite reliable although there are
some cases where they're saying there's crank hub issues in the engine so
basically an engines coming undone inside and that has been a case in some
situations it's not widespread yet but there have been some known cases of that
otherwise the Apple car plays a little slow and beyond that everything's really
really well dialed in with these cars very reliable so far then we have the
new the brand-new f90 m5 sorry about the snow guys but hey it's winter here in
Alberta what can you say but this car here so far has the 600 horsepower
twin-turbo 4.4 liter v8 that produces almost 600 about 600 horsepower now
because it's connected to an ZF automatic transmission
these cars are proving to be a lot more reliable more drivable and so far not a
lot of reports and reliability concerns related to this new m5 although I know
it's a fairly new car but it's already been out for a couple of years and
there's no gleaming issues so as you can tell some of the new cars here now of
course are getting better with time m5 and what do we have here this one here
Wow too bad it's covered in snow I might have to come take a look at this another
day we have an awesome m6 new one this is a matte if you look at it it's sort
of a matte black finish amazing color you can only see it in certain light but
look at that guys man I love color m6 covered in snow I'll come back
another day when this is cleaned up beautiful again
it uses that that twin-turbo v8 great engine so far then over here we have
what do we have the e90 m3 we've talked about this one before and again a pardon
to snow but this one here is the four liter v8 this car here is known for rod
bearings just like the e60 m5 the one that we just left the e60 m5 and the e90
m3 share more or less the basic under underpinnings that they utilize similar
bearing rods I mean this is just basically two cylinders shaved off of
the m5 and so these have rod bearing issues these also have throttle actuator
problems aside from not very robust cars very reliable everywhere else I mean the
car is well dialed in otherwise now we move along we've got a few other cars
down here what do we have right here guys we have this is an f10 m5 so this
is the predecessor to the e60 now again apologize for the snow but these cars
here so this has a 4.4 liter v8 which is sort of a detuned version of the current
m5 engine but these cars were quite reliable other than the simple fact that
they had a few issues you sometimes get the drivetrain malfunction codes if you
happen to over rev it briefly these would spit out a code and it usually had
to do with fuelling or a lack of fuelling under the high rpm high load
conditions so that was one common problem with these cars
another issue were in some cases you would have squeaky brakes a lot of
owners were complaining of squeaky brakes for the m5 really squeaky brakes
that was a pain in the rump for some people they didn't like that very much
aside from that it was a very reliable car who didn't have a lot of problems in
the f10 and then what do we have over uh-oh 8:46 guys I know a lot of you guys
found boys out there love these cars the e46 what is not to love about any 46
look at the color of this thing to this amazing look in purple color
it's beautiful car m3 this almost makes me want to buy one of these
honestly it's old-school it's simple but it's honest
these are awesome cars look at the back end tailpipes you've got the quad pipes
down there love this color it's just an amazing color great rims on here so
these cars here we're actually pretty good
but again remember they had vanos issues cooling issues and you had other issues
with these cars surrounding the rear subframe so the rear subframe issues
would creep in where you'd have structural issues where it would start
to crack and split because of age you know it wear and tear and general
fatigue and you'd get the back end subframe would crack apart you actually
have to watch for that and that was something that you'd have to get reweld
that are reinforced at some point of course vanos issues you get in these
cars as well that's not uncommon with a lot of the variable valve timing type
cars like this with the vanos that was an issue cooling problems also do not
get the SMG but is this one this one here is an SMG transmission generally as
a rule I stay away from the SMGs because you get SMG pump issues and the
hydraulics and the issues associated with hydraulic systems in the SMD
transmissions stick with the manual 6-speed it'll last a lot longer it'll be
a simpler life and you'll have less problems all in all and then guys what
do we have over here we have an x5 m beautiful car of course look at the
front touches on there you've got some carbon-fiber lip at the bottom pretty
nice looking machine the nicer dial and headlights this is obviously newer than
my E60 but still our older generation of course you can tell the
body style solar Gen m5 or x5 m beautiful car nonetheless but these were
fairly reliable with the twin-turbo v8 in these cars but the only thing that
you had to consider was fuel injectors PCV valves there was issues in vacuum
lines PCV lines of course the fuel injectors I believe there was a recall
on that so check into it if you're looking at these the fuel injectors
themselves would fail sometimes they would leak down and often what they
would do is they would pool fuel in the cylinders and basically fill up
cylinders you can wash the cylinders and destroy an engine pretty quick so it had
fueling issues you know leaking down injectors and I believe that again was a
recall for these so the x5m although it was fairly reliable and very powerful a
fun car to drive look for those recalls fuel injectors vacuum lines and of
course the usual gambit of you know valve cover leaks turbos those things
are not uncommon and because it's a 5 Series or X 5 it's certainly got its
share of complexity and electronics those are also possible failure points
but these were actually quite reliable like I said watch for that fuel
injection and vacuum lines that's the big one you want to watch for there so
this great x5m these were actually a beautiful car to drive lots of power
you've got the quad exhaust down below as well just a beautiful machine all the
way around this would be a nice keeper I gotta say
I would drive one of these maybe you don't like some of the reliability
concerns that you find in an e46 m3 or an e 90 m3 or how about an e 60 m5 or an
f10 or an F 90 how about an m4 m3 in the current generation maybe you don't like
that stuff but you want a sporting sedan what other options do you have well
here's another one for you so here we are at the Lexus dealer now that's the
other brand that everybody seems to be referring to when it comes to talk about
reliability and comparing to the BMW brand but a lot of great cars coming out
of Lexus here I must admit there's some really really great cars like this one
look at this thing Wow what a beautiful car holy smokes
what is this
LC500 Wow
holy love it but beside the odd car like that the majority the brown you have to
ask yourself does it invoke passion and that's a question that I have because
Doug referred to on paper on paper a lot of cars do a lot of great things and a
lot of these BMWs can be countered by cars that are always say maybe even
better performers on paper more reliable on paper but you know what owning some
of these high-performance cars like an e 60 m5 or or an m4 that's highly tuned
something that is really high strung he's like Mary being married to a
supermodel in essence really what it is it's a passion thing it has highs it has
lows when you have passion you basically have something that is not always
positive but it always invokes emotion and that's what the BMW brands do you
get behind the wheel of an e 60 m5 when you put the foot into it in M mode none
of the BS about rod bearings seems to even matter you put your foot into it
and all you can do is smile from ear to ear like a Cheshire Cat and all you have
is a situation where your boy parts are jingling and your girl parts are
tingling and it is just an amazing ride so there's no quantifying reliability
and performance and desire to own these cars it really boils down to what
tickles your fancy and on paper isn't always the way that it has to be because
again on paper there's a lot of great cars out there but when you get behind
the wheel that's what matters and that's what driving an M car like an m5 e60 m5
or an m4 some of these cars that don't make sense on paper because they're not
reliable does not mean that's they have not the car to own if in fact that
jingles your parts that is the car to own can you afford it is the bigger
question but in terms of kit do you tolerate those kind of things do we
tolerate as supermodels high and low and
passionate emotions if you're married to one I mean those are things you don't
get rid of them just because they have a bad day it's one of those things you
accept for the long haul if that's what floats your boat that's the way it's got
to be so thanks again everybody I hope you enjoyed the video and thanks Doug
for inspiring this discussion it's it's a great discussion to have of course I
know there's a lot of emotion around these kind of things and what is really
the best car and our am cars in fact reliable and I generally I would say a
lot of them are but even if they're not that doesn't mean don't buy them you buy
what floats your boat so thanks again everybody make sure you give me a thumbs
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