Uhh...Hacked uh..
Dating website, OkCupid, and
I made myself the most popular male profile in Los Angeles.
This is so cool, by the way, that you guys are here.
This is really, really, exciting.
[Panico]: Just a decision by the director. [Flaa]:Yes!
So I read some of the
notes about you guys, which was very fascinating, and
you, your background is in the FBI? [Panico]: Yes.
[Flaa]: And you used to-Did you work with Anonymous?
[Mckinlay]: Uh, yeah I was involved for a number of years.
[Flaa]: And you, how was your work
for the FBI? What-What kind of focus did you have there?
[Panico]: Was In cyber-crime specifically,
and investigating cyber-intrusions, which is what this film is about so...
[Flaa]: So who do you think is the biggest threat,
right now?
[Mckinlay]: I think the biggest threat is the FBI,
the NSA, um, and their counterparts in foreign governments.
I mean these are all, essentially, you know,
companies that try to justify their
budgets in various ways, often by scare-mongering,
and uh...With
virtual impunity. We'll launch exactly
the same kinds of assault and they'll lock
people up for, decades.
[Panico]: Well I obviously have- [Flaa laughs]
nothing to do with that, uhh...I don't think the government is the worst entity in
the world, I mean there's plenty of criminals out there, and there are
plenty of unscrupulous people out there, who are launching
attacks, REAL attacks that we see all the time.
And you know, understandably
security and privacy are
opposite ends of the same spectrum,
right, so there's always going to be a democracy uh,
I would hope, a healthy debate between
what the governments do to protect us, and
you know, the rights of citizens, so...[Mckinlay]: Yeah, and you can find
that debate right here but...[Laughter]
[Flaa]: Lets start the debate!
[Flaa]: So how can
we, as...
As normal people, how can we protect ourselves-From these things happening? You know, everyone
I mean I got my credit card copied and stolen, you know?
Things like that, small things like that?
[Mckinlay]: Yeah I mean we...
have been saying, of course, like, ground
zero is to, you know, use strong passwords,
LONG passwords, different passwords for every site.
Umm...But I think,
Uhh...More generally then that, uh...I think it's important
that you know, all of us as consumers,
demand, you know, security
as a priority to companies that we do business with, you know?
Too much, the MO
Uh, breaches happen and we'll put out the fires
and we'll keep going, but we don't make it a forward priority.
[Panico]: Yeah, that's true I think we should vote with our dollars,
with our participation right, so when we, you know,
when certain, entities, that we deal
with, you know, are proven to
not have good security, we should probably move to ones that do have good security,
and incentivize,
institutions, and organizations, and companies to provide the security
for their customers.
[Flaa to Mckinlay]:And you have a very interesting OkCupid story.
Can you tell us the story please? [Mckinlay]: Yeah sure,
I uhh...Uhh...Hacked
a uhh, dating website OkCupid
and I...Made myself the most popular
male profile in Los Angeles, over
a period of about three months. Umm...And,
you know, I met my fiance that way. [Flaa]: Wow, that's so cool.
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