How are you doing? Good. How are you?
I'm good.
Thank you, nice t-shirt
Yeah, it's all of the bat symbols for that. Yeah.
You know, it's so funny that I had a sheet that was just like that
when we went on our exploration.
Like, literally,
Glyn Dillon, who designed the bat suit with Dave Crossman,
he was like, well, we got to talk about what the bat symbol looks like.
And so he just presented me with, like, okay, these are all of the bat symbols.
Now let's talk about, like, shapes and where we could go.
So that's cool that you have that shirt that reminds me. That's cool.
Well, that leads to a question that in terms of your bat symbol,
because I remember seeing it
for the first time, and it's it's kind of fans have been theorized
and it's the gun that was shot, his parents with that kind of stuff.
So how did you settle on on what the symbol look like on a suit?
Well, I wanted it to be something that was that was a practical use.
It's not actually it's not the gun that was interesting
that people were speculating that that's what it was.
But what people did happen on. That's right.
Is I wanted it to be not just an emblem,
but I wanted it to be something tactical and functional.
And so that it was actually that's
actually the Glock, a knife that he uses in a couple of places in the movie.
And so, yeah, somewhere along the way, I said to them,
I said, I want to figure out a way
that this is something that we can we can see him using it.
I want him to use that knife.
And the knife had been written into the script.
So the idea was, is there a way we can take that knife
and make it the bat symbol?
And that was that was what they set out to do.
Yeah. It's amazing.
It's really unique to everything else because it's been done so many times.
So technically it's been done.
And that was the thing was like, how do you do something
that feels distinctly your own? Yeah.
And some of the suit itself, I mean, that's obviously
very, very different as well.
We saw it in Christopher Nolan's movies about how he wanted to make it not happen
to have the funny neck turn and all that kind of stuff and managed
to, to, to downgrade it.
So how long did that process take for you guys?
Oh, now what? Months and months and months.
We started.
I was still working on the script when we started
working with Glyn and Dave, and it was a
it was a long and exciting journey because, you know, there's a
there are certain things when you're doing a Batman movie that you
you suddenly stop yourself and go, oh, yeah, we're really making Batman.
And, you know, one of them is when you're designing the car,
of course, you're making a Batmobile. That's a dream.
And the other is when you're designing the bat suit.
I mean, that's crazy.
You're just like, Oh, wow. So what is the cowl look like?
And, you know, there are aspects of it that relate to the ones that you love.
And there's a there's a little bit of Batman '66 in there.
But I really
wanted to make sure that we were leaning into,
you know, there were really two aspects that were important to me about the suit.
One was that its functional purpose is obviously to protect him.
So he needed to be able to fight in it.
He needed to be able to fight in a certain way.
I wanted him to be like a mixed
martial arts street fighter I wanted him to be able to move in it.
And some of the bat suits, you know,
we actually when we were testing Rob for the movie,
we had to explore all those suits because you do the screen test
in one of the old suits and they moved in a really unique and weird way.
You know, they were very kind of rubbery, some of them.
And you were like, Oh, this is
I can't imagine it would be too easy to fight in this.
So that just the practicality of being able to fight in it
and and the practicality of the fact that you're supposed to protect them.
So we looked at like
Parisian riot police gear and that kind of stuff.
We were looking at all kinds of real world references,
and that was the practical side.
But then there is the kind of more
mystical, mythic side, which is that he's doing it
for the purpose of creating an image he wants to emerge from the shadows
and be this kind of anonymous that that is intimidating the criminal element
and so then you lean into the sort of more iconic side of it.
What should the shape look like and how can this be like a horror movie?
And, and this idea of, you know, how what colored is
and how it emerges out of the darkness and all the layers of it.
So it's it's a very exciting process, but it took a long, long time.
I can imagine And just finally, I mean, my my first entry into Batman was
my uncle showed me a very grainy VHS copy of the first Tim Burton movie,
which had seen the contrast up really high just to be able to see it
because it was a kind of quote unquote dodgy copy.
So I just wanted it in your eye.
You spoke about how Batman was a big part of your childhood, similar to me.
What was your kind of first?
Did you remember
your first comic was a or of the film on a TV show was your first entry and why?
It was the TV show.
I mean, it was Batman 66 because I was born in 1966,
and that was the year Adam West started playing Batman
and by the time I was three it was like three years,
and I think the show ran for like three years,
three or four, I think it was three and
I didn't see, you know, I always say this because I showed my son
who is now ten and a half, but when I showed it to him
he was probably, I don't know, six or seven
and he had exactly the same response delighted, which is he
didn't see the campiness of the show.
He just saw that Batman was cool.
And there's just something about, you know, it's funny
you look back at it now, it's like the show is incredibly funny.
It's really can't be and silly.
And it's got all these amazing cameos of all these incredible character actors.
But actually, I just remember loving that car
and loving his suit and just thinking that that guy was the coolest guy ever.
And so that began my lifelong love of Batman Adam West, first and last year.
Matt.
Thank you so much and congrats on the movie.
Great talking to you. Thanks. Thank you so much.