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I was deeply impressed by you but partly because
I read it I didn't speed read it I read is things were going
intense kept popularity your book
in happening in real life that's you know I
Twitter tips over the financial markets in israel they shoot a drone
I love this guy I'm other people on reddit get engaged
a by the events in in Boston
and um the end up in a little bit of a witch hunt
answered this world that you guys were predicting
whenever you finish the book just was turning out
over and over again do you sometimes look at events and see them through the
prism up what you wrote
your book is really about the good things are gonna happen when everybody
gets interconnected
in the next five years five billion people to join us
boers is $2 billion right now on the order of two billion now
they're gonna do in this league and this sir like was something in their hands
it'll be can tell CNN on capitol be up but they all have basically what are
called feature phones are SMS capable phone
they're all gonna get smart phones when they show up
it's a good thing for the world course bring some props
because not everybody is good governments and so forth will react and
that's what the book is really about
the theme that we try to capture in the book which is you five billion new
people coming online /a as Eric mention
it will certainly empower people all around the world for good and for all
but the the big reason that we're
optimistic is that's five billion people with choices and options so they didn't
have before
that's five billion people who can now witness something and capture a
and uploaded and in real time so it's the the game changer is the ability for
people who never before had choices and options
to have it in the end up on the other hand yen would it's kind of a clear-eyed
utopianism
you guys bring to it I mean it it your YouTube appearance at the sewer grate
but you you understand that that that
not everything is gonna go take any boo well a lot depends on how we handle
have it happen when we think about it sorta what's new
why we're always reliving the activities of generations before us
saying in in whatever context and what's new
is the level of empowerment of individuals it's now possible
historically governments you know leaders elites
what have you pretty much RAM things for good or bad and they were you know
autocracies are democracies are
saints or sinners or what have you the average person was essentially unheard
of
you know you celebrate the Kings achievements but you never hear about
the the peasant
in this new world which is AP
essentially a permanent change people are empowered with supercomputers
that allow them independent action independent recording what they're doing
in a bit memories and many other things that we that we think can be very
powerful for them
and that's not going to go away this world is going to get connected
whether we here in America like it or not and
it'll bring in both good and bad things whether we want them or not
hmm for many things that I
from was interested in reading
in your book among many I is the smartphone really is
getting smarter and I thought I did you guys today
said big technology company forget the name of that but they upgraded their
search app on the phone
where I can talk to it and it can predict what I'm going to say
and I think to myself because you look at your phone see how much can I really
do here
and increasingly Apple's answer Google's answers
every one to two anything you want that the new
AI technology and this is all often and with your permission all that
allows the system's when he says i
means artificial intelligence origins arm
is a senate algorithms that have been discovered recently that allow you to
serve look over large amounts of data
and make some very interesting discoveries so my favorite one is that
I want to know if the bridges in an hour
love New York are going to be for all this afternoon well with data mining
technology you can actually look at the patterns and you can predict that in
fact traffic a bit slower
apart like Google now which tries to anticipate where you're going in
with some relatively simple hands will sort of say well this is your home is
where you're going
you'll actually say there's a traffic jam get your act together
in the future and again all often in with your permission
you can imagine the system sir understanding that you
bought a ticket to the airplane airport it knows there's going to be a traffic
jam
and it calls you on the phone the FCO phone calling you you
don't take your text messages and says getting the car now are you mister
airplane
and I know that sounds crazy but in fact that's relatively straightforward me
wrote about in the book and maybe not even a ring that they'll be like
something your heel their organs you
like a haptic Canada Goose about said
so Sep both so they'll be essential sex in Madison Square Garden
yes I don't remember the heel point I think you had that
the Madison Square Garden they'll be a little section for one's virtual robot
and the way the robot works is it's got little eyes and it pays like a special
discounted
fair no doubt to go to the concert and you're sitting at home and take care the
kidder dealing with the other problems whatever you're doing
I but you can experience the concert with headphones
a strong monitor and a technology called haptic technology which allows you to
feel
what's going on because that's what a lot of a lotta a concert is really about
is great I'm
one course if I could just jump in and add one other example just it's always
outta
a global context and have the $5 billion people coming online
more than 52 percent of those are gonna be women as Eric and I both
I spent time in in Saudi Arabia as we know
there's a secret police they're called the Mojave rocked that
essentially follow women around to make sure they're not doing things that are
against the law
punishment as we all know can be can be quite brutal you can imagine a situation
and and and in this situation we write about this in the book where Saudi women
who have smartphones have a and I'm a Harada
seriously really to talk about this on the anti Mahabharat ap world literally
allow hi individuals on their smartphone to keep track of where the Mahabharat
are just like anybody would keep track 0
I where their town cars are using over on
and you can imagine a situation where using this app
obviously hi individuals in country who may not want to reveal that they're
doing this
instead of calling out and saying hey there's a hopper %ah who
is just outside love the the cafe
and said you literally just send the polls I peer to peer from one phone to
another from these
types of things are gonna increasingly happen in the fact that environments
do you think that the arm its retake
at Boston as an example arm
there's some there's some
implications sir Bradley
where the those guys probably learnt to make the kinda bombs
that they made well I I'm again I think it's early in the in the investigation a
couple comments
according to the reports from the police and others
it appears that they learned my son the forensics the van so far
by reading an online magazine that this down to the
to the internet that was designed to train people to do bad things
it appears that the pressure cookers were triggered not by
cell phones which was one other reformers but by simpler technology
and obviously the police did a fantastic job under enormous pressure
tapper and these guys there are couple historic things that happen they're
worth mentioning
the first is that by in as you know
you mention read it before there was a parallel investigation
that we on the police are doing their investigation because it was so horrific
people around the country in the world wanted to help and so
they took all the photos online and they had various conspiracy theories
now either due to incredibly good judgment by the police
or because they wanted to make sure that people had some basis the police
released
the surveillance videos which they thought were the most likely suspects
at that point they were million people looking for these two people who you can
only see from the side
and they began to identify them in the user-generated pictures
about that same time these two gentlemen absolutely freaked out
I don't know why baby is perfectly possible that this was the cause
and they go and they find a fellow with the car
and the car jack the car for some reason that's not obvious to me they explain to
them that they are the bombers
and then they release this gentleman and either because he's brilliant
were terrified he leaves his cell phone in the car
which allows the car to be trailed to the point where the police
apprehend the two want them a shot the other one then runs events he hides in
the vote
a to hear you got a good example
love the why we need a strong police and excellent forensics and
the kind of great work that they do but we also had the union with
the people trying to help and you know you weather is very secure leaving out
the part where
read it take the couple guys in ruin their lives
well intact what are the problems with this tagging people
is that there's a rush to judgment now I mentioned earlier that we had a rush to
judgment by the people who
by city by the computers the reading the Twitter feed
by they didn't check another fee by the way this is not new in society look at
richard jewell
frightened land his name will live forever write this for enforcing fella
was identified there are many examples where even the traditional media
be a media has apologize for sensei disabling somebody sort of life
but now can't happen like a nanosecond and
we always say checks check it
don't just trust that one source and if I could I can jump in here we've we've
entire chapter in the book that looks at
the future of terrorism and so we we try to imagine
white terrorism the good the bad and the other way around how we stop it will
look like in a decade
and we spent time in Pakistan spent time in Afghanistan and we spent time
in Iraq specifically looking at this issue and
one of the lessons you learn from from from Boston as well as some other
stories we heard there
is in the future it's very difficult to imagine
terrorists being able to operate in the caves of Tora Bora
are offline and being even remotely relevant
so every terrorist and criminal in the future is going to have to use
technology in some way shape or form
the room for error goes up and when terrorists and criminals are on the run
and frantic
I they become less careful and they make mistakes
we heard a phenomenal story when we were in Afghanistan about it
from a group of Navy SEALs that we we we spoke to have been tracking
a senior al-qaeda commander I in Pakistan
and they've lost track of him and he been very careful about switching out
SIM cards using different phones that he would enter away
I several years later this gentlemen who was all but
26 years old had a forty five-minute conversation with his cousin
in Afghanistan about how excited he was to attend his wedding
thinking that because this was social are not professional he didn't have to
be as careful
so we live in a world especially where young people make a lot of mistakes and
a terrace have topped into the future in the technology in the future
II technology plus young people he calls mistakes
he calls a situation where non-aligned you catch the guy
but you also get his SIM card and get everybody that he's been working with
and in fact in the book we say that it's probably easier to think that you're
going to be a terrorist
it's very very hard to escape the tracks that people naturally take especially if
you've got
an awful lot of people looking for you if something was a lever
a live a private late but still engaging the Internet should they worry about
government for Facebook's they worry about Twitter
or you know what I mean all take that the privacy and security bed
I'm the way when we set out to write this book
%ah the early decision that we made is
we want to look at privacy and security not just in the context of the first two
billion people who are already connected
but we want to understand how people in environments where the next five billion
come a minor thinking about these issues
and so I went to Libya we went to Tunisia Accurist and Afghanistan
Pakistan these types of countries
what we found is people actually don't make much of a distinction between
privacy and security because they've never had any privacy
in these countries and so they end up talking about it really in the context
of a
security and we can set actually a big impact on us
in terms of understanding how intertwined these two things are
and it led us to believe that this is kind of the ultimate shared
responsibility companies have a role
II government overall and individuals have a role
and we started looking at this in in different ways one conclusion
is I we should not be fooled into thinking that as we become more
connected
it makes human judgment any less important and that dovetails into
another point which is you have
no two authors of this book one who's a parent and one to one day will be
apparent
on that's me obviously I and
no our belief is as kids are coming online younger and faster than any other
time in history
in every single environment in the world parents have to start younger
we have to educate kids about the importance of privacy and security the
implications up in the way that we put this in the book
is quite literally parents are gonna have to talk to their kids about
online privacy and security years before it even relevant to talk to them about
the birds and the bees
and we fundamentally believe that
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