- I need to ask a question.
- Yeah, go on, mate.
- How do you have three Spider-Mans?
Aren't you just supposed to pretend like you're Spider-Man,
and there was no other Spider-Mans in the movie?
- This is gold, this is great.
We're diving in deep, Tom.
Let's explain the Spider-Verse.
- I have no idea what's going on, or why.
- I have just finished a two-and-a-half-month press tour
explaining the concept of the multiverse.
I am not going to explain it to Mark Wahlberg.
- [Mark] Josh, Josh.
- It is a long story. It's complicated.
- Basically, the idea is that myself, Toby Maguire,
and Andrew Garfield have been coexisting as Spider-Man.
- Oh.
- And in this film, we put down those barriers
and allow the universe to expand,
meaning that we could coexist in the same universe
so that they could help me save the day
against the villains that they had fought.
So, Alfred Molina...
- Did they then try to, like, sabotage you
because you're the better of the three Spider-Mans?
[Laughs]
Is that what happens? - No, no. They love each other.
- They formulate a plan, the other Spider-Mans are jealous
of, like, the new and improved Spider-Man,
so they're coming to get you.
- It's a bromance- - Oh, that stuff.
- it's all about love. [Laughs]
- Congratulations on the movie, guys.
This is a big, ginormous action-adventure,
and with that comes a lot of stunts,
a lot of action.
Tell me who got the most bruises on this one.
Who has the most scars?
Mr. Holland?
- Tommy.
- You know, we really leaned into the idea that,
you know, Sully was this kind of older chap
who was looking for an excuse to not have to do
as much of the heavy lifting and, you know,
Nate being this kind of wide-eyed kid
and eager to put a shift in meant that I was the one,
you know, swinging from boats and falling out of planes
and drowning in swimming pools
and all sorts of different stuff.
So, I walked away from this job
with a few bangs and bruises here and there,
but thankfully, I walked away pretty unscathed.
- Josh, do you think that happened by accident?
[Laughs]
- Did you add some stage directions for Tom
and say nothing for me?
You've retired?
- No, but I did notice the unique opportunity
to just sit in the helicopter barking orders
or complain about a sore hip, or something,
and say, "Go get 'em, kid."
[Laughs]
- Is there something strange, Mark, when finally in a film
the other guy has more shirtless scenes than you?
This must be like a bizarre phenomenon for you.
- Actually, you know what?
No, it was a blessing.
I was more than happy to embrace that.
I think, you know, I've done my fair share of action
and physicality,
and Tom really is - he's in his prime, you know?
So it's, this is the beginning of the next 15, 20 years
of him getting after it
and, you know, setting the stage for the next guy.
- Having both done a fair amount of action,
to say the least,
what's the stage direction you dread seeing in a script?
What's the action sequence, that's like,
"Oh god, I know what this means,
and this is gonna wreak havoc on my body?"
- For me, harnesses. Harnesses, water, you know, cold,
that sort of thing, you know, I...
- Anything in this movie.
- And now it's anything with singing or dancing.
I'm like, "Oh, god."
- The next phase of Mark's career is gonna be a lot of
sitting in chairs.
It sounds like you're ready to just relax.
- I'm already working on my old voice, kid.
[Laughs]
- What about you, Tom?
Is there anything that makes you kind of sweat a little bit
when you see it in a script?
- It's just gotta be harnesses.
There's no escaping. There's no amount of prep you can do
to make a harness comfortable.
The thing I dread most in 'Spider-Man'
is anything that's upside down.
You know, when you have to do a scene
that's four pages long and your character
is upside down for the whole thing.
And with those films, you know,
it can take two, three days to shoot a scene.
So, anything upside down is really hard work.
- A lot of the humor in this film
is at the expense of both of your ages.
I mean, for you, Tom, I feel like everybody
is treating you like you're 16 years old perpetually.
You're gifted and cursed with this.
What is the best and worst aspect
about people always assuming that you're younger
than you are?
- I think the advantage of people thinking
that you are younger than you are
is that they underestimate you, you know, especially in the,
you know, a line of business and that sort of thing.
When you're negotiating deals, you know,
people do treat you like a kid.
And when you come back as an adult,
it kind of changes their track,
but it's nice being able to play a kid.
I enjoy bringing a youthful energy to these characters,
and it's something that, you know, I do well.
So, I'll keep doing it for as long as I am prepubescent,
I guess.
[Laughs]
- Mark, for you, I mean, so Tom is 25.
You were well into your film career
by the time you were his age.
Compare and contrast for me:
Where were you at maturity-wise, career-wise,
versus where Tom is now?
Any words of advice for your co-star here?
- Well, I could definitely now, looking back,
give him lots of advice, but he's really managing it well
because with huge success early on,
especially in big tent-pole movies, you know,
this kind of IP, 'Spider-Man' and 'Uncharted,'
it's tough to balance,
but he's really been going on out of his way.
And you could tell those are very calculated choices
about how to balance them with acting pieces
and showing people what he's capable of doing,
continuing to grow as an actor and mature as an actor
while navigating these waters.
For me, it would've been a disaster.
We talked about this before, you know,
some roles that I thought, kind of,
would've been the game changer for me,
having not had those and had to kind of just go
movie by movie, filmmaker by filmmaker,
and growing-
Until I could really handle the success
and the responsibility of carrying a film
with your name being above the title
especially when it's not IP -
it's an original story,
people don't know what it is -
and have to go out there and sell it,
have the expectations of it being a success,
and being profitable for the studio,
or whoever's making the movie,
but he's doing a really good job.
And you know, it's smart.
He's utilizing all of those things
that you get from being successful
in big tent-pole movies to,
you know, allow him to go and do things
that are really creative and are gonna challenge him
and show people what he can do as an actor.
- Tom, let's look at the varied résumé of your co-star here.
What's the role on Mark's résumé
you would've liked to have a crack at?
Is it Dirk Diggler?
What jumps out?
- Yeah, we were talking about this earlier.
I love 'Boogie Nights.'
I think 'Boogie Nights' is a masterful piece of work.
And I would love to have had the opportunity
to bring that character to life.
It looked like a lot of fun to make.
I mean, how old were you when you made that film?
- I was your age. I was 25.
- 25, wow.
- You know what would be great, too? 'Fear.'
Tom playing a bad guy,
who's, you know, he's kind of sweet, you know,
baby-faced, handsome guy.
And to be able to flip that switch,
which I know he's capable of doing,
that could be fun, too, to see.
He's got a little Bob De Niro 'Cape Fear' thing
going on now, with the hair.
- Yeah. - Right.
- Would you ever direct, Mark?
Would you ever be interested in directing?
- Yeah, it's something that I've wanted to do,
but it's just - it's a big time commitment.
So, I think, probably sooner rather than later.
- Directing the 'Fear' reboot with Tom Holland.
Why not?
- Ooh, that actually could be good.
[Laughs]
That actually could be really good.
- This is a unique production in that, you know,
to pull the curtain back a little bit,
this has been in development for a lot of years.
People have tried to crack this film adaptation
for a long while.
Mark was gonna play Tom's role, back in the day.
So, that's a very unique circumstance.
Not only do you kind of like hand off the role
but you stay in the film in a different role.
Mark, was it odd to sort of see someone else
playing a role that you had probably spent
a fair amount of time thinking about
how you would have approached it?
- It wasn't. I mean, I was caught off guard at first
because they just called me up, and they were like,
"Hey, guess what?
“We got ‘Uncharted’ going again.”
I’m like, “Oh, cool.”
I said, “Who’s gonna be the guy?”
And my thinking is, “We’re gonna get Jack for one last go.”
“We’re gonna get – Who we gonna get?”
And then all of a sudden they're like, "Tom Holland."
I was like, “For what?”
[Laughs]
"He's gonna play Nathan Drake."
And I was like, “Oh, what am I gonna play?”
[Laughs] They're like, "Sully."
I was like, “OK.”
And then of course I thought,
“Yeah, actually, that could be a lot of fun.”
So yeah, I was a little surprised at first,
but certainly embraced the idea right away.
And I think the way into it is so much better
because you're really gonna satisfy all the die-hard gamers,
you know, the 40-some-odd million people
that bought this game,
but you're also going to be able to introduce it
in a way where Tom gets to become Nathan
and step into his own and really become the guy.
So, that's cool.
- Any new street cred with your kids
by being friends with Spider-Man, Mark?
Is that a factor in this one?
- Street cred?
- No. [Laughs]
- No, you know what?
My sons were very impressed
because they saw 'Uncharted' before they saw 'Spider-Man.'
And I don't think they,
I don't think they're really old enough to appreciate
what being Spider-Man means until they saw-
And the first time they went back to the theater
was to see 'Spider-Man.'
They hadn't been in the movie theater for like two years.
And that was our thing.
Every weekend we'd go, at least,
we'd go at least twice a week to the theater.
So, now we're starting to get back, which is really nice.
Tom and, you know, the folks at Sony
really single-handedly reopened the theaters
and saved the cinematic experience, which is great.
- So, this is the first time, Tom, I'm speaking to you
since 'No Way Home' has made a gajillion dollars.
Congratulations, buddy.
And not only just the box office,
but just bringing so much joy to so many of us.
I spoke to Andrew recently,
Andrew Garfield, about the whole production,
and he gave me a real interesting perspective on –
I just want to pick your brain on one scene,
the scene where he saves Zendaya,
which is just like, maybe the most heartfelt scene
for the audience watching it.
Were you on set for that scene?
What was your perspective on that scene?
Did you know it was gonna be such
an emotional linchpin of the film?
- I just knew how important it was to Andrew.
You know, I think something that I had never really
taken into account,
which was probably because of my, you know,
my naivety and how young I was,
was: His departure from the character
can't have been a, you know, a sweet goodbye.
And I think for him to have the opportunity to kind of
wrap up his storyline in a way that is fulfilling
to not only him as an actor,
but Peter Parker as a character, it was really apparent
that it meant a lot to him.
And, you know, I look back on that whole experience,
and I really should have called him up when I got cast
to just sort of, I guess, break bread
or just talk about it because I didn't.
So for me, it was really nice to be a part of that,
and to see him kind of make amends with this character
and with the studio, you know. It was a huge moment for him
and a huge moment for all of us watching,
especially the people in the theater.
So it was a lovely moment
and, you know, one that I saw coming. As soon as I realized
that they were gonna bring them back,
I kind of could figure out that something like that
was gonna happen,
but his performance is wonderful in that moment.
And you know, it's arguably the most emotional moment
in the MCU, and I'm delighted that Andrew got that time
to kind of make his amends with the character.
- I don't know if you guys have seen this,
but Tom has been manifesting all of his career moves,
his life moves - it's all happened
because he's put it out into the universe.
Do we believe in manifestation, Mark?
Like, what do you wanna manifest into your future?
Tom, what's left to manifest for yourself?
What are we putting out into the universe?
- I'm only gonna give you one hint.
It's the only prop I've ever saved:
that prosthetic from 'Boogie Nights.'
It's coming back. [Laughs]
It's coming back.
- That's more of a threat than a hint.
That's not a hint,
that's a threat. - Watch, when worlds collide.
- Tom, what do you wanna manifest?
- I wanna manifest taking a break
is what I would like to do.
I would like to manifest taking a bit of a break
and just playing golf every day.
Enjoying some time with my friends and family,
moving into my house, and just enjoying some time off
is what I'd like to manifest.
- You deserve it.