What's Up Star Wars Fans?
My name is Prince, and I am an Urban Acolyte.
In this video, I want to talk about this rumor about The Knights of Ren in Star Wars episode
9.
Before I get into the details and discussion, I want to make it clear that this is all a
RUMOR--none of this stuff is confirmed.
If it turns out to be true, then this could be spoiler material about Star Wars episode
9.
If you want to go into episode 9 completely spoiler-free, I'll understand-- so peace out...and
come back for my review of the Broly movie Review or one of the videos I have coming
up about Star Wars video games.
Cool?
MSW KoR Rumor
Yesterday, the homie Jason Ward over at Making Star Wars posted this rumor to his site.
He's got a really good track record of breaking stuff that's happening on the set, so-- I
don't know, but I'm really excited to talk this topic.
So based on this rumor, the Knights of Ren are going to play a REALLY BIG PART in where
the Star Wars story appears to be headed as far as what may happen AFTER the Skywalker
story wraps up.
I think it could also point to Kylo Ren actually surviving this film because it looks like
there is going to be an even BIGGER threat in the galaxy besides the threat of the First
Order led by Kylo Ren, and it seems like the Knights of Ren are part of that bigger threat.
Okay--so first thing, during the gap that takes place between The Last Jedi and episode
9, Kylo Ren appears to have built up a pretty sizeable power structure.
He's got entire planets that have their own military forces that are completely loyal
to him.
If you're new here, you haven't heard me talk about this--but I've been pointing to this
pocket of people within the Empire who felt that Vader would make a better leader than
Palpatine.
If you've read Bloodline, there's a part where Ransom Casterfo is at a party with other Centrist
senators where that sentiment is echoed where people felt Vader would have made a better
leader.
I'm saying all of this because imagine you have The First Order, and it's supposed to
be the new Empire, the better Empire without all the flaws that were present under Palpatine.
You have people who think Vader should have been the Emperor, and your new Empire has
a Vader of its own.
How do you think those people are going to feel when they find out that their "new Vader"
is not just the new guy who is "like Vader," but he's actually Vader's grandson?
So I'm saying--Kylo Ren stepping up to take out Snoke and become the Supreme Leader of
the First Order--I think it was part of his own personal ambition.
Like I said,"to be the man, you've gotta beat the man, and Kylo Ren wanted to be the man,"
but I also think there were other people who wanted Ben to be the man.
I think they were whispering in his ear--hey man, you're the new Vader, and we felt like
Vader should have been the leader all along.
We haven't really gotten much as far as the politics within the First Order, nothing outside
of Bloodline, but I think we might get something leading up to Episode 9, and if not, then
we will later when Lucasfilm decides to fill in the details about Snoke saving the First
Order, becoming the leader, and Kylo Ren joining the First Order.
All that stuff is kinda important because it will tell us the relationship between Snoke,
The First Order, and The Knights of Ren--see the Knights of Ren are actually not part of
the First Order.
What we know about the Knights of Ren is that they are darkside force users who have worked
with Snoke and Kylo Ren when they had similar goals.
My working hypothesis is that after Ben turned and burned the Jedi temple, he left with some
of Luke's students and they joined the Knights of Ren.
From there, Ben took the name, Kylo Ren, and he eventually was convinced to leave them
to join Snoke and The First Order.
That's just my hypothesis for now-- my point is that this belief that The Knights of Ren
are like Snoke's bodyguards or Kylo Ren's bodyguards is not true.
The only thing we know is that Kylo Ren was the master of the Knights of Ren--so maybe
he's still a member of that group, but that doesn't make them part of the First Order.
Since we don't really know what that relationship is--it sets up the Knights of Ren as a 3rd
player in the conflict between the First Order and the Resistance.
See, we have news about a new group of soldiers on set who are being referred to as "Sith
Soldiers."
They dress in red, similar to Snoke's Praetorian guards or Palpatine's royal guard.
Now the name "Sith Soldiers" is interesting because--what if they actually are Sith soldiers?
What I'm saying is that what if the Knights of Ren are connected to the Sith?
This is cool to me because I've been speculating since 2016 that we might see a return of the
Sith Order by the conclusion of the saga.
If The Knights of Ren have any ties to The Acolytes of the Beyond, as several Star Wars
YouTube channels have speculated--well, it would mean the Knights of Ren are either a
new order, or an old order that has been reintroduced who follow the Sith religion.
In Legends, there were other people who followed the darkside, and they were Sith who existed
outside of Bane's Rule of 2 Sith Order.
Just like the Jedi appeared to be unaware of the Sith temple that lay beneath the Jedi
Temple on Coruscant, what if somewhere lost in the Jedi archives information about Sith
who disappeared into the Unknown Regions or were lost in Wild Space?
Palpatine sensed a strong darkside presence in the Unknown Regions of Space--some assume
it was Snoke, but I don't think it was the case.
I think Snoke was also searching for that same presence.
Could it be another Order who descended from the original Sith?
Is there a Bigger Threat in SW?
So the question that we should be asking--if any of this turns out to be true is if there
is a bigger threat in Star Wars.
Some of the "Star Wars Hater" channels feel like Star Wars needs to follow what Marvel
is doing--and my retort has always been, well, Marvel is basically taking events from decades
and decades of comic books and recreating them in the MCU.
Star Wars has 40 years of stories that exist as Legends, but it's not quite the same thing,
you know?
I was happy with Lucasfilm expanding the George Lucas canon and borrowing ideas from Legends,
when appropriate, because I did not want them to recreate everything from Legends, on screen.
I could do an entire video on that--but I'll just say, for the people who wanted the new
movies to be Legends, people still would have found reasons to hate the movies the minute
things didn't go the way they wanted them to go.
But anyway-- I really do feel like the Knights of Ren could be used to deliver this bigger
threat in Star Wars.
Just based on JJ Abrams comment about wanting to make an entire movie devoted to The Knights
of Ren makes me feel like these folks are going to be really important to episode 9--or
whatever future stories are going to be told moving forward.
I have been hoping for more "force stuff," more lightsaber fights and force pushing--all
that stuff-- what if we get this whole story line moving forward where the bad guys are
evil force users?
Think about it now--we've got the Knights of Ren and in the same way The First Order
has been arming for war since the Battle of Jakku--you've got these darkside force users
also training as warriors to accomplish whatever their goal is.
The even bigger question--who is leading them?
Kylo Ren was the Master of the Knights of Ren, but are the Knights of Ren part of some
larger Order?
Could there be somewhere out there even more powerful than Snoke?
I mean, think about the situation on SW:TOR with Valkorian and the Eternal Empire--the
Knights of Ren could be like the Knights of Zakuul.
If you don't know the SW:TOR story--hey, I know a guy who streams SW:TOR and plans to
release edited versions on his YouTube channel--so maybe you should follow my SW:TOR series--but
basically, The Knights of Zakuul are all force users.
It would be crazy if the sequel trilogy had something in common with SW:TOR, but if you
really think about the story on SW:TOR--there's actually quite a few things similar to the
new movies.
Will Rey and Kylo Ren team up to fight the bigger threat?
So the question we have to seriously consider is that if the Knights of Ren emerge as a
new threat--or maybe they are just the first wave of something else, will Rey and Kylo
Ren have to team up?
I know this would make the Reylo fanbase extremely happy.
It would make sense to me that the two of them need to come together, but I don't think
it will lead to a romance or a redemption for Ben Solo.
I see it as more of a situation where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Rey is The Last Jedi, so the Knights of Ren would be after her.
The Knights of Ren would be after Kylo Ren because he killed Snoke--or he defected from
the Knights of Ren to join The First Order.
If they are some kind of zealous religious organization, it would totally make sense
for them to have beef with Kylo Ren.
What does this mean for the future of SW?
So for now--yo, this is big.
There's a lot to process.
What if this Sequel Saga ends on the same note as Revenge of the Sith?
In Revenge of the Sith, we saw the Sith get their revenge on the Jedi.
In the Original trilogy, Vader turned back to the light, and he ended the Bane Order
of the Sith.
What if at the end of Episode 9, we see the return of the Sith Order--not the Bane Order,
but the Sith Order before Bane?
It would put the story in a place where the Jedi have to emerge to give the galaxy some
hope of standing a chance against The Knights of Ren and whatever threat they are facing--and
maybe these 6 other movies to come might deal with new force sensitive people and groups
stepping up to lead the charge.
I think that would be pretty cool--but that's just my opinion.
I'd like to hear yours.
First off, what do you think about these rumors regarding The Knights of Ren and the Sith
Soldiers that we might see in Star Wars episode 9?
Do you think the Knights of Ren might be a 3rd faction that could throw a wrench in the
war between the Resistance and the First Order?
Also--how do you feel about seeing Kylo Ren as a true Supreme Leader with entire armies
and planetary militias completely loyal to him and not Hux?
Let me know your thoughts down in the comments below, and I'll be checking back to see what
you all have to say.
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