MOMENT, WHAT SHE SEES AS A
MUST-WIN FIGHT TO RESTORE HER
PARTY.
>> CAN YOU TAKE ME INSIDE THOSE
MOMENTS FOR YOU WHEN YOU LOST
YOUR LEADERSHIP POSITION?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I -- IT WAS
NOT A SURPRISE.
IT WAS REALLY ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT’S MUCH, MUST HAVECH BIGGER
YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICAN
CONFERENCE AND THE HOUSE.
IT IS A MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO
DECIDE AS A PARTY, YOU KNOW,
WHETHER WE’RE GOING TO EMBRACE
THE TRUTH.
>> YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR
REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IN THE
EYE.
HOW DID IT FEEL?
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
>> YOU KNOW, I -- I WAS VERY
HONEST.
AND I TOLD THEM I HAVE REAL
AFFECTION AND ADMIRATION FOR
MOST OF THEM.
AND I -- AND I LOVE THIS
INSTITUTION.
AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN PUT HERE IN
THIS MOMENT BY HISTORY.
AND HISTORY IS GOING TO JUDGE
US.
>> THREE AND A HALF MONTHS AGO.
THERE WAS A VOTE ON YOU.
WHICH YOU OVERWHELMINGLY WON.
145 VOTES TO 61.
TODAY IT WAS JUST A VOICE VOTE.
IT WASN’T EVEN CLOSE.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT CHANGED?
>> FOR REASONS THAT I DON’T
UNDERSTAND, LEADERS IN MY PARTY
HAVE DECIDED TO EMBRACE THE
FORMER PRESIDENT WHO LAUNCHED
THAT ATTACK.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE WATCHED
OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST
SEVERAL MONTHS THE FORMER
PRESIDENT GET MORE AGGRESSIVE,
MORE VOCAL, PUSHING THE LIE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT THING FOR PEOPLE
TOWNS.
THIS ISN’T ABOUT LOOKING
BACKWARDS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE REALTIME
CURRENT POTENTIAL DAMAGE THAT
HE’S DOING.
THAT HE CONTINUES TO DO.
>> SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES SAY
THOUGH WE SUPPORTED YOU BEFORE
CONGRESSWOMAN CHENEY.
YOU MADE YOUR POINT.
NOW DROP IT.
LET’S FOCUS ON THE FUTURE.
>> WELL IT IS AN ONGOING THREAT.
SO SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION.
>> YOU HAVE MADE STATEMENTS
SINCE JANUARY 6th.
YOU FIST BUMPED PRESIDENT BIDEN
AT THE JOINT ADDRESS TO
CONGRESS.
DO YOU THINK THERE WAS A LAST
STRAW WHERE YOU LOST THE SUPPORT
OF YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES?
>> I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
FOR ALL OF US, REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS TO GET BACK TO THE
DAYS WHERE WE ENGAGE ON
SUBSTANCE.
AND WHERE WE DON’T TREAT OUR
POLITICAL ADVERSARIES AS
ENEMIES.
I THINK THAT THE NATION DEMANDS
THAT AND THE NATION DESERVES
THAT.
I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS REAL
CONCERN AMONG A NUMBER OF
MEMBERS OF MY OWN PARTY ABOUT A
JANUARY 6th COMMISSION.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I’VE BEEN
VERY PUBLIC THAT THAT COMMISSION
NEEDS TO BE BIPARTISAN.
IT NEEDS TO LOOK ONLY AT JANUARY
6th AND THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO
IT.
NOT AS THE BLM AND ANTIFA RIOTS
LAST SUMMER.
AND I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF
INTENSE, NARROW FOCUS THREATENS
PEOPLE IN MY PARTY WHO MAY HAVE
BEEN PLAYING A ROLE THEY SHOULD
NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYING.
>> DO YOU THINK THERE WERE
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WERE
COMPLICIT IN THE ATTACK AND THAT
A COMMISSION COULD UNCOVER THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, I DON’T WANT TO GO
THAT FAR.
EACH TIME WE HAVE SOMETHING
HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY THAT IS
KIND OF A CRISIS WE HAVE --.
AND THERE IS NO REASON WHY THERE
SHOULD BE ANY RESISTANCE TO
DOING SO IN THIS CASE.
>> WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT FORMER
PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT HE WILL NOT
ACCEPT THIS LOSS?
>> THAT’S UNFIT.
YOU KNOW, THAT HE NEVER AGAIN
CAN BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE
OVAL OFFICE.
>> HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO
TAKE THE?
WOULD YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT?
>> I -- I THINK THAT IT IS THE
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE ARE
FACING RIGHT NOW AS A COUNTRY.
AND WE’RE FACING A HUGE ARRAY OF
ISSUES.
SO HE MUST NOT EVER AGAIN BE
ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE OVAL
OFFICE.
>> BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WOULD
YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT TO STOP
THAT?
>> I’M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING
THAT I CAN.
BOTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
NEVER HAPPENS.
BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY GETS BACK TO
SUBSTANCE AND POLICY.
>> BEFORE I DROP IT, WILL YOU
RULE OUT A RUN FOR PRESIDENT?
>> RIGHT NOW I’M VERY FOCUSED ON
MAKING SURE THAT OUR PARTY
BECOMES AGAIN A PARTY THAT
STANDS FOR TRUTH AND STANDS FOR
FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT ARE
CONSERVATIVE.
AND MOSTLY STANDS FOR THE
CONSTITUTION.
AND I WON’T LET A FORMER
PRESIDENT OR ANYBODY ELSE
UNRAVEL THE DEMOCRACY.
>> WHATEVER IT TAKES.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOUR
CRITICS SAY IS THAT INSTEAD OF
TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN,
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT LIZ CHENEY.
THAT THAT IS REALLY AT THE HEART
OF WHAT THIS VOTE IS ABOUT, AND
WHY THEY WANT YOU OUT OF
LEADERSHIP.
>> LOOK, I’VE BEEN VERY CLEAR
THAT I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN’S
POLICIES ARE DANGEROUS.
EVERY SINGLE DAY AND FIGHTING
AGAINST THOSE POLICIES AND WILL
CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
MY VIEW IS, TO BE AS EFFECTIVE
AS WE CAN BE TO FIGHT AGAINST
THOSE THINGS, OUR PARTY HAS TO
BE BASED ON TRUTH.
>> TO BE A LEADER IN THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW DO WE
HAVE TO BUY THE LIE?
>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
THOSE OF US WHO REFUSE DO THAT
TO BE WILLING TO STAND UP.
I HONESTLY BELIEVE THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY POLICIES ARE
MUCH BETTER BUT I ALSO KNOW WE
CANNOT CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THEY
SHOULD PUT THEIR TRUST IN US IF
WE ARE BUILDING OUR PARTY ON A
FOUNDATION OF LIES.
>> WHAT IS THE HOLD THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ON THE
PARTY.
>> WELL IT IS VERY DANGEROUS.
>> HOW TO YOU EXPLAIN IT?
>> I THINK AS THE CULT OF
PERSONALITY AND I THINK PEOPLE
WERE BETRAYED AND MISLED BY HIM.
THE AS REAL BETRAYAL NOW THAT
HE’S WILLING TRO TO TRY TO
UNRAVEL THE DEMOCRACY TO GET
BACK INTO POWER.
>> 70% OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
RIGHT NOW BELIEVES PRESIDENT
TRUMP ICE
TRUMP’S LIES ABOUT THE ELECTION.
SO IF YOU ARE OUT OF LOCK STEP
WITH THE PARTY, WHY SHOULD YOU
BE IN LEADERSHIP?
>> LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT LEADING.
AND IT IS ABOUT TELLING THE
TRUTH.
AND IT IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT
THESE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES
ARE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS
INCUMBENT UPON ANYBODY WHO IS
ELECTED.
UPON ANYBODY WHO IS IN
LEADERSHIP TO TELL THE TRUTH.
>> WILL YOU RUN FOR REELECTION.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> DO YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> THE TRUMP POLITICAL TEAM IS
ACTIVELY LOOKING TO COALESCE ON
AROUND A PRIMARY CHALLENGER TO
YOU.
WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THEM?
>> YOU KNOW, BRING IT ON.
I -- AS I SAID, IF THEY THINK
THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME INTO
WYOMING AND MAKE THE ARGUMENT
THAT THE PEOPLE OF WYOMING
SHOULD VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS
LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP OVER
SOMEBODY WHO IS LOYAL TO THE
CONSTITUTION, I WELCOME THAT
DEBATE.
>> ARE YOU THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION IN EXILE RIGHT NOW IN
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
>> I INTEND TO BE THE LEADER --
ONE OF THE LEADERS IN A FIGHT TO
HELP TO RESTORE OUR PARTY AND A
FIGHT TO BRING OUR PARTY BACK TO
SUBSTANCE AND PRINCIPLE AND IN A
FIGHT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE
WON’T PARTICIPATE IN -- IN THE
REALLY DANGEROUS EFFORT THAT IS
UNDER WAY.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE FRAME THIS AS
A BATTLE FOR THE SOUL OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
BUT YOU ARE OUT OF OFFICE.
TRUMP IS ASCENDANT.
HASN’T THAT BATTLE BEEN WAGED
AND WON.
DIDN’T TRUMP IT.
>> ACTUALLY I’M IN OFFICE AND
HE’S OUT OF OFFICE.
>> FAIR.
-- LEADERSHIP OFFICE.
>> THAT IS TRUE.
BUT NO, THIS IS I THINK OPENING
AL VOE IN THAT BATTLE AND IT IS
A BATTLE WE HAVE TO WIN.
IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
IT IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND IT
IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE’RE
GOING RESPECT OUR ELECTORAL
PROCESS.
>> DO YOU THINK LEADER McCARTHY
PLACED HIS OWN AMBITIONS TO BE
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ABOVE
PRINCIPLE.
>> I THINK THAT HE IS NOT
LEADING WITH PRINCIPLE RIGHT
NOW.
AND I THINK THAT IT IS SAD AND I
THINK IT IS DANGEROUS.
>> WHAT DID IT MEAN WHEN KEVIN
McCARTHY DAYS AFTER THE JANUARY
6 RIOTS AND INSURRECTION WENT TO
MAR-A-LAGO AND VISITED WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> LEADER McCARTHY’S VISIT TO
THE FORMER PRESIDENT IN
MAR-A-LAGO WAS STUNNING.
HE’S NOT JUST THE FORMER
PRESIDENT.
HE PROVOKED AN ATTACK ON THE
CAPITOL, AN ATTACK ON OUR
DEMOCRACY.
SO I CAN’T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU
WOULD WANT TO GO REHABILITATE
HIM.
>> IF BELONGING TO THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY REQUIRES YOU TO
BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTION WAS
FRAUDULENT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
IS THE RIGHTFUL WINNER, WOULD
YOU EVER CONSIDER LEAVING THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BECOMING AN
INDEPENDENT?
>> I’M NOT LEAVING THE PARTY.
>> DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT
SHOULD OR COULD BE CRIMINALLY
CHARGED?
>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL
DECIDE.
I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
THAT THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE
DEPTH OF JUSTICE HAS UNDER WAY
BE ALLOWED TO GO WHEREVER IT
LEADS.
I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
TO KNOW.
>> YOUR FATHER, FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY IS A
VETERAN OF THE FEW BATTLES
HIMSELF.
WHAT DOES HE THINK ABOUT THE
STAND YOU ARE TAKING?
>> OH I TALK TO HIM, EVERY DAY
USUALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, I’M JUST
IMMENSELY, IMMENSELY PROUD TO BE
HIS DAUGHTER.
I LEARNED FROM HIM THE
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THE COURAGE
OF YOUR CONVICTIONS.
I LEARNED FROM HIM WHAT IT MEANS
TO STAND UP FOR WHAT’S RIGHT.
PEOPLE SAY WELL THIS IS
COURAGEOUS.
YOU KNOW, I’M NOT LANDING ON
OMAHA BEACH.
YOU KNOW, THAT’S COURAGE.
THIS IS DUTY.
>> DO YOU THINK HE’S PROUD TO BE
YOUR FATHER ON THIS DAY?
>> I FOE HE IS.
KNOW HE IS.
>> OUR CONVERSATION WITH
CONGRESSWOMAN CHENEY.
I ALSO ASKED HER WHETHER SHE
THINKS THERE’S ANY SEXISM IN
ANYTHING THAT’S UNFOLDED AND
WE’LL SHOW YOU AT THE TOP OF THE
NEXT HOUR.
>> IF ANY OF YOU THOUGHT SHE WAS
GOING TO HOLD BACK THE ANSWER IS
KNOW.
>> I THINK SHE’LL BE MAKING A
LOT OF WAVES WITH SOME OF THOSE
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