>> Gillian: AISHAH HOSNI FOR US
THIS MORNING.
THANK YOU.
LET’S BRING IN RETIRED
LIEUTENANT GENERAL KEITH
KELLOGG, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.
GENERAL, IT’S NOT ENTIRELY
INUSUAL FOR CONGRESSIONAL
LEADERS TO TRY TO SUBVERT THE
PRESIDENT OR AT LEAST WORK
AROUND THEM TO TRY TO CARRY OUT
THEIR OWN FOREIGN POLICY.
BACK WHEN I WORKED AT THE WHITE
HOUSE IN THE BUSH
ADMINISTRATION, NANCY PELOSI
TRAVELED TO SYRIA ABOVE THE
PRESIDENT’S OBJECTIONS.
I GUESS WHAT’S UNUSUAL ABOUT
THIS TRIP IF SHE DOES GO TO
TAIWAN IS THAT SHE IS WORKING
AROUND A PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE
HOUSE WHO IS LEADING HER OWN
PARTY.
I DON’T KNOW WE’VE SEEN THIS
BEFORE, HAVE WE?
>> NO, WE HAVEN’T, GILLIAN.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD A SPEAKER
VISIT TAIWAN WAS 1997 WHEN NEWT
GINGRICH WENT AND TOOK A
BIPARTISAN GROUP WITH HIM.
I THINK SHE SHOULD GO AND
ANNOUNCE IT, NOT KEEP IT LOW
KEY.
IT IS VERY SMART.
WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
CHINA IS AN EMERGING POWER THAT
THREATENS US ECONOMIC,,
MILITARILY AND POLITICALLY.
FOR HER TO GO IS ONLY RIGHT.
ONCE HER OFFICE MADE THE
ANNOUNCEMENT SHE WAS GOING SHE
HAS TO GO.
WHERE SHE RANKS IN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT IS VERY CRITICAL.
THIRD IN LINE OF SUCCESSION OF
THE PRESIDENT UNITED STATES.
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
CARRIES GREAT IMPORTANCE AND WE
SHOULDN’T BACK DOWN FROM IT.
FOR PRESIDENT XI TO TALK TO
PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYING SHE
SHOULDN’T COME, PRESIDENT BIDEN
SHOULD HAVE SAID QUICKLY IN 30
SECONDS, SHE IS COMING AND
GOING TO TAIWAN AND VISIT
TAIPEI.
SHE WILL DO IT IN THE MILL OF
THE DAY.
IT IS AN AM CASH ISSUE NOT A
CHINESE ISSUE.
IT GOES BACK TO 1972 AFTER
NIXON VISITED CHINA AND CAME UP
WITH THE SHANGHAI COMMUNIQUE
THAT SAID THERE WAS ONE CHINA.
TAIWAN WAS PART OF CHINA.
50 YEARS LATER WE LOOK AT THE
COUNTRY OF TAIWAN, 23 MILLION
PEOPLE.
DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED
GOVERNMENT.
MAYBE WE OUGHT TO START
THINKING HARD.
MAYBE THERE REALLY ISN’T A ONE
CHINA POLICY ANYMORE.
MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A TWO
CHINA POLICY AND BRING TAIWAN
BACK INTO THE U.N.
WE ABROGATEED OUR DEFENSE
TREATY IN 1976.
JIMMY CARTER DID IT ON HIS OWN.
THINK HARD HOW TO DEFEND TAIWAN
AND THE ENTIRE REGION.
EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT US
RIGHT NOW.
JAPANESE ARE LOOKING,
INDONESIANS, PHILIPPINES ARE
LOOKING.
VIETNAM IS LOOKING.
THIS IS A CRITICAL MOMENT IN
TIME AND WE NEED TO STAND VERY
FIRM.
NANCY PELOSI NEEDS TO GO TO
TAIWAN.
>> THERE IS THE ONE CHINA
POLICY YOU MENTIONED.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF ALL THIS,
THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING
THIS POTENTIAL STOP IS THE
MESSAGING.
I WOULD ASK YOU, GENERAL.
SORT OF WHAT THE CHINESE
GOVERNMENT SAYS AT THIS POINT
REALLY EVEN MATTERS.
ALL THE CHINA EXPERTS SAY SHE
IS GEARING UP TO MAKE THIS BID
NEXT MONTH FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED
THIRD TEAM LEADING HIS COUNTRY.
A WHOLE SERIES OF COMMUNIST
PARTY MEETINGS COMING UP AND
FOCUSED ON MESSAGING THEM,
SOUNDING AND ACTING TOUGH.
SO BASICALLY WHAT HE IS SAYING
WHEN HE THREATENS TO IS SHOOT
DOWN PELOSI’S PLANE OR HAS THE
MEDIA DO IT FOR HIM IS BLUSTER.
DO YOU AGREE?
>> IT’S A DANGEROUS MOMENT.
EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT UKRAINE
AND RUSSIA AND PUTIN WAS MAKING
THE COMMENTS ABOUT UKRAINE AND
EVERYBODY SAID HE WOULDN’T
INVADE EVEN THOUGH PUTIN SAID
HE WOULD INVADE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN’T BELIEVE
HIM.
WE’RE REACHING A POINT NOW
WHERE YOU NEED TO START
THINKING HARD WHAT CHINA WILL
DO.
THE REASON FOR THAT I REALLY
BELIEVE THIS, GILLIAN, THE FACT
THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN TAKE THE
MEASURE OF THIS PRESIDENT AND
SAY WE MAY HAVE TO GET
SOMETHING DONE IN THE NEXT 2
1/2 YEARS BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW
WHO WILL OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE
AFTER HIS FIRST TERM AND
BELIEVE HIS ONLY TERM HAPPENS.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY
CONCERNED.
I THINK IT IS REACHING A VERY
DANGEROUS MOMENT.
I THINK THEY ARE VERY SERIOUS
ABOUT IT AND MAY REALIZE THIS
MAY BE THE LAST BEST CHANCE OF
DOING SOMETHING ABOUT TAIWAN
BRINGING IT UNDER CHINA.
>> Gillian: GIVEN THE SECURITY
SENSITIVITIES YOU LAID OUT FOR
US, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL SPEAKER
PELOSI TO DO RIGHT NOW IF YOU
WERE ADVISING HER.
>> LAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
DAY.
LAND AT NOONTIME AND HAVE A
PARADE IN TAIPEI.
YOU HAVE TO GO THERE.
YOU REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA AND I WOULD REMIND
PRESIDENT XI DO NOT EVEN THINK
ABOUT HARMING HER OR EVEN THINK
ABOUT HARASSING HER AIRCRAFT AS
SHE GOES IN THERE.
YOU CAN ALMOST TAKE IT TO A
STATE OF WAR.
JUST LEAVE THIS OFFICIAL ALONE.
WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE AND I
THINK HE IS BLUSTERING AND I
THINK BIDEN NEEDS TO PUSH BACK
REALLY, REALLY HARD.
SHE NEEDS TO LAND IN DAYLIGHT
IN TAIPEI.
>> Gillian: GENERAL KELLOGG