PLEASE THE PRESIDENT. >> I JUST LEFT PRESIDENT TRUMP.
HE’S MAD AS -- THAT THEY WOULD
DO THIS TO HIM.
>> JOINING ME NOW IS VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE’S CHIEF OF
STACHD THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER
LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR MARTIN
SHORT.
SHORT. WELCOME BACK TO "MEET THE PRESS.
REQUEST ITSELF.
REQUEST ITSELF. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK.
>> LET’S START WITH A SIMPLE
QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF TRIAL
DOES THE WEST WING WANT TO SEE?
>> YOU CAN CH, I THINK RIGHT NOW
THE WEST WING IN THE WHITE HOUSE
IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REASON
THE PRESIDENT IS BEING IMPEACHED
IS HE IS WINNING IN SO MANY
WAYS.
WAYS. HE WON ON TAXES.
THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING.
THERE IS RECORD LOW UP
EMPLOYMENT.
EMPLOYMENT. THE MILITARY IS GETTING
REFUNDED.
REFUNDED. WE’RE STRIKING NEW TRADE DEALS.
IT GOES BACK TO WHAT CONGRESSMAN
AL GREEN SAID, WE HAVE TO
IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT OR ELSE
HE COULD GET REELECTED.
AS WE TRANSIT TO THE SENATE, I
THINK WE UNDERSTAND MITCH
McCONNELL AND CHUCK SHUM WERE
WILL STRIKE A DEAL.
>> YOU ARE CONFIDENT WHAT IT
WILL LOOK LIKE?
>> SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER SAID HE
WANTS A DEAL LIKE THE CLINTON
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. YET THAT WAS A VOTE 100-0
INCLUDING CHUCK SCHUMER VOTING
FOR THAT DEAL TO LET BOTH SIDES
LAYOUT THEIR ARGUMENTS AND
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
WITNESSES.
WITNESSES. IT’S A REALLY UNTENABLE POSITION
WE THINK FOR SPEAKER PELOSI TO
SAY THIS PRESIDENT IS SUCH A
CLEAR AND URGENT DANGER TO THE
WORLD, TO THE GLOBE, THAT WE
HAVE TO TRAMPLE HIS
CONSTITUTIONAL RADIO ITS NO
FORCE A QUICK IMPEACHMENT AND
THEN SAY WELL, WE’RE GOING TO
HOLD UP ARTICLE IMPEACHMENT TO
THE SENATE.
THE SENATE. NOW CAN█ç YOU CONTRAST AND SAY
THIS IS URGENT TO SAY, WELL.
>> YOU WANT TO SEE A TRIAL START
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, NUMBER ONE?
>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT WANTS
TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.
>> HE WANTS WITNESSES?
>> I THINK HE ARTICULATED HE IS
OPEN TO WITNESSES.
>> HIS LEGAL TEAM DOESN’T, IS IT
FIRE SAY OR NOT?
>> I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE
SHAM, TIRED OF THIS WHOLE THING,
WE’RE ANXIOUS TO GET BACK TO THE
WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE E.
TO THE EXTENT THERE IS A
PROLONGED TRIAL, WE’RE NOT FOR
THAT.
THAT. WE’RE BACK FOR DOING (1áJjTj
THE AMERICANS SAID THEY WANTED.
DEMOCRATS IN 2018 CAMPAIGNED ON
PROMISES AND SAID WE’LL WORK
WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE’LL
WORK WITH THEM ON HEALTHCARE, TO
REBUILD OUR SCHOOLS AND ROADS.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.
>> THEY SEEMED TO WORK WITH YOU
ON TRADE.
ON TRADE. >> THEY FINALLY DID, CHUCK.
THAT WAS PUT ON NANCY PELOSI’S
DESK OF A YEAR.
OVERARY YEAR AGO.
SHE HELD THAT OUT TO MAKE SURE
HER MODERATE SAVING IMPEACHMENT.
>> LET ME GO BACK WITH A NEW
TIME LINE WITH WHEN THE AID MAY
HAVE BEEN HELD WITH UKRAINE.
THERE ARE FOYA REQUESTS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE PUT OUT A
STATEMENT I THINK ABOUT IT.
I WOULD TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT
LEAVES THE APPEARANCE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION SAID THE DECISION
WAS KNOWN JULY 18th WITHIN THE
WHITE HOUSE AT THE BUDGET
OFFICE.
OFFICE. THIS SEEMS TO INDICATE A REQUEST
WAS SENT AFTER THE PHONE CALL OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT
ZELENSKY ON JULY 25th.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DISPARITY
BETWEEN THE JULY 18th
PROCLAMATION TO THE PENTAGON
SAYING, MAKE SURE THIS FREEZE
HAPPENS AND, BY THE WAY, KEEP
THIS ON THE DOWN LOW?
>> LET’S STEP BACK FOR ONE
SECOND, CHUCK.
SECOND, CHUCK. REMEMBER, THAT THIS
ADMINISTRATION IS THE ONE THAT
HAS PROVIDED AID TO UKRAINE.
THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION SENT
BLANKETS.
BLANKETS. THE PREVIOUS ONES SENT TROOPS
INTO UKRAINE.
INTO UKRAINE. WE DEFENDED UKRAINE.
THERE IS NO DELAY OR NOTHING IN
THE E-MAILS ABOUT THE TIMING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BACK AND
FORTH EXCHANGES ABOUT THE TIMING
OF THIS.
OF THIS. THE AID WAS RELEASED.
AT BEST ACCOUNT, THERE ARE 55
DAYS AND WE DID OUR OWN REVIEW.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN OUR
BUDGET REQUEST LAST YEAR, WE
ASKED FOR $250 MILLION OF
ADDITIONAL AID TO UKRAINE.
WHILE DEMOCRATS DID THIS SCAM
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. THEY DELAYED AID FOR OVER THREE
MONTHS.
MONTHS. IF THEY HAD DONE THEIR JOB ON
TIME WE WOULD HAVE HAD THAT AID
SEPTEMBER 30th.
SEPTEMBER 30th. >> DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE
MICK MULVANEY TESTIFY AND GIVE
SOME CLARITY TO THIS.
>> I THINK IT’S IRONIC TO SAY WE
HAVE AN AIR TIGHT CASE, NANCY
PELOSI SAYS WE HAVE AN AIR TIGHT
CASE, YET SHE DEMAND WE DEMAND
MORE WITNESSES?
MORE WITNESSES? HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE TWO
STATEMENTS?
STATEMENTS? IN REAL LITHITY, WE WANT TO SEE
A TRIAL IN THE SENATE, WE WANT
TO SEE THE PRESIDENT GETS
EXONERATED.
EXONERATED. >> THE BEST WAY TO EXONERATE THE
PRESIDENT IF YOU GET MULVANEQç
OUT THERE TO TELL HIS SIDE OF
THE STORY, IT NOT?
>> WE’VE HAD A LOT OF WITNESSES
ALREADY, CHUCK, A LOT OF
WITNESSES TESTIFIED TO WHAT
HAPPENED IN THE CALLS,úWAAT
HAPPENED IN THE VICE PRESIDENT’S
MEETINGS IN UKRAINE.
A LOT OF WITNESSES.
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE VICE
PRESIDENT, THERE WAS SOME, HE
HAD SHOWN OPENNESS TO
DECLASSIFYING HIS CASUALTIES AND
FROM HIS TOP RUSSIAN AIDE, THE
MEMOS AND HER UNDERSTANDING OF
ALL OF THIS.
BUT YOU HAVEN’T DONE THAT YET,
WHY?
WHY? >> WELL, THERE IS TWO QUESTIONS,
ONE IS DECLASSIFYING A TRAN
SCRIPT ONE IS DECLASSIFYING A
SUPPLEMENTAL SUBMISSION THAT SHE
SUBMITTED.
SUBMITTED. THAT’S SUBMISSION, THE HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS.
THEY SHARED THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
THERE IS NOTHING BEING WITHHELD,
CHUCK.
CHUCK. WE HAD OUR OWN WITNESSES
TESTIFY, DEMOCRAT WITNESSES
TESTIFY ABOUT THE VICE
PRESIDENT’S CALL AND ABOUT HIS
MEETINGS WITH ZELENSKY, ALL
TESTIFIED THAT BURISMA, THE
BIDEN’S INVESTIGATION NEVER CAME
UP.
UP. THE WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT
OUR COMMITMENT TO UKRAINE.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE VICE
PRESIDENT’S PHONE CALL?
BECAUSE HE WAS OPENED TO THIS.
IS IT SOMEBODY ELSE SAYING DON’T
DO IT?
DO IT? >> NO, I THINK WE’RE STILL
OPENED TO IT, CHUCK, I THINK IT
SETS A BAD PRECEDENCE, THEY KNOW
HAY
HAY HEY, IF I HAVE A CALL, IT MAY
GET RELEASED.
GET RELEASED. WE ARE OPENED TO DO THAT, IF THE
SENATE MAKES THE REQUEST.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE HOUSE
IN THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY
SAID YOU CAN’T HAVE COUNSEL
PRESENT, YOU CAN’T PROVIDE YOUR
OWN WITNESSES, SO WHY WOULD WE
PARTICIPATE IN A KANGAROO COURT
WHEN THEY HAD NO CONCERN ABOUT
DUE PROCESS.
DUE PROCESS. OF COURSE, ON THE SENATE SIDE --
>> SO WHAT’S WRONG AT HAVING
WITNESSES, HAVING YOUR DEFENSE
IN THE SENATE?
>> I SAID, WE’LL CONSIDER THAT,
CHUCK.
CHUCK. WE’RE OPENED TO CONSIDER THAT
BUT THERE IS AGAIN THIS NOTION
LIKE WE’RE GOING TO DENY THE
PRESIDENT ADMINISTRATION HIS
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, NOW WE
WANT TO DICTATE FROM SPEAKER
PELOSI WHAT THE TRIAL LOOKS LIKE
IN THE SENATE.
>> I’M CURIOUS YOU ARE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION AS THE
LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR WORKING IN
THE WEST WING AND THERE WAS A
WASHINGTON POST STORY THIS WEEK
ABOUT THAT TALKED ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT WAS TALKING A LOT IN
2017, 2018.
2017, 2018. WE PUT UP ONE EXCERPT.
ONE FORMER SENIOR WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIAL SAID TRUMP EVEN STATED
EXPLICITLY HE NOW UKRAINE WAS
THE BIGGEST CULPRIT BECAUSE
PUTIN TOLD ME.
DID YOU EVER HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT IN UKRAINE?█ç
>> NEVER, NOT ONCE.
I HEARD HIM SAY NO RELATION TO
PUTIN AND UKRAINE.
I HEARD HIM SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN
A FRUSTRATION THE ALLIES WEREN’T
DOING MORE.
DOING MORE. >> YOU DIDN’T HEAR THE PRESIDENT
BLAMING UKRAINE FOR THE STOLEN
E-MAILS OF THE DNC?
>> NO, I HEARD HIM SAY WHEN YOU
GO TO MEET WITH ZELENSKY ON MY
BEHALF, COULD EP IN MIND
SOMETHING NOT REPORTED HERE THAT
MEETING HAPPENED SEPTEMBER 1st.
THE DEMOCRAT’S CASE HAS BEEN
QUID PRO QUO.
THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S MEETING
THAT WAS SCHEDULED ON SEPTEMBER
1st.
1st. THE AID WAS RELEASED ON THE
11th.
11th. >> AFTER THE WHISTLEBLOWER
REPORT.
REPORT. >> THE VICE PRESIDENT WENT ON
THE PRESIDENT’S BEHALF AND SAID
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHY
EUROPE ISN’T DOING MORE AND
GENERALLY WHAT THEY’RE FIGHTING
CORRUPTION.
CORRUPTION. THE VICE PRESIDENT CAME HOME AND
SAID ZELENSKY IS DOING A█ç LOT T
FIGHT CORRUPTION.
FIGHT CORRUPTION. I THINK WE SHOULD RELEASE THE
AID AND TEN DAYS LATER IT WAS.
>> I WANT TO GET YOU SOMETHING
FROM THE CHRISTIANITY TODAY.
PERHAPS YOU TALKED TO THE VICE
PRESIDENT ABOUT IT.
I DON’T KNOW.
THIS EXCERPT, IN PARTICULAR.
CONSIDER WHAT AN UNBELIEVING
WORLD WILL SAY IF YOU CONTINUE
TO BRUSH OFF MR. TRUMP’S IMMORAL
WORDS AROUND BEHAVIOR.
IF WE DON’T REVERSE COURSE NOW,
WILL ANYONE TAKE WHAT WE SAY
WITH ANY SERIOUSNESS FOR DECADES
TO COME.
TO COME. >> I THINK IT’S NO SURPRISE THAT
EADVANTAGE GEL CALS ARE NOT
MONOLITHIC IN THEIR POLITICAL
VIEWPOINTS.
VIEWPOINTS. I THINK A LOT OF US WHO
CELEBRATE OUR SAVIOR’S BIRTH
THIS WEEK, WE NOW IN THIS
PRESIDENT’S ADMINISTRATION WHO
IS ALSO PROTECTING THOUSANDS OF
OTHER UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES IN
DEFENSE OF LIFE IN.
>> IS THAT TRUMP’S BEHALF-YOUR?
>> A PRESIDENT WHO IS STANDING
FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND YOU
KNOW RKS
KNOW RKS KNOW, THIS MORNING IN CHURCHES
OF OUR COUNTRY WE WILL BE SING
LITTLE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM AND
THERE IS NO PRESIDENT WHO STOOD
UP FOR THIS.
>> THAT GIVES A LOT OF COMFORT
TO CHRISTIANS.
TO CHRISTIANS. >> EVEN THOUGH HIS BEHAVIOR
SOMETIMES ISN’T VERY CHRISTIAN.
>> AS I SAID, CHRISTIANS ARE NOT
MONOLITHIC, A LOT OF US TAKE