- [Josh] So you guys go back a long ways.
Does that make it easier or harder once you're on set?
Looking at yourselves, looking at each other,
in these costumes that, in any other circumstance,
could be deemed insane.
Does it make it easier to get through
these kind of absurd circumstances,
to have each other's back?
- [Robert] I don't even think you said anything.
When I came in the suit, you're not like
"Oh, you're in the batsuit."
- [Zoë] Oh, I didn't?
- You didn't say anything. [Laughs]
- I was just like, "What's up?"
- You're just like, "What's up?" [Laughs]
- [Josh] Just playing it cool, just another day.
That's Rob.
- [Zoë] I don't know why I did that.
I'm so sorry!
You didn't say anything about my suit.
- I know, well what do you want me to say?
- He doesn't want to make you feel self-conscious.
She was being a kind friend.
- And I think, yeah, 'cause it's kinda easy to
just have that be the only thing in the conversation.
Be like, "Oh, so is it uncomfortable?"
[Laughs]
I'd be like, "Shut up!"
- "Can I touch your ears?" [Laughs]
No, I think it made it easier, you know,
just for A, for us to just feel connected.
And you know, we were able to, I think,
talk really candidly, too, about
what we were wanting to do, about our fears
and hopes and everything.
Like, when we first got cast,
like hanging out and having a drink
and really being honest with each other
about being scared,
and what we - you know, all of that stuff.
So it was really nice to have someone
that you knew that totally understood
what you were going through,
that you could confide in.
I thought that was really helpful.
- Rob, I mean, this is the first time
you and I have chatted for a while.
- Yeah, it is.
- It's so - this fills me with so much joy
that we're talking to each other in this context
because
it's remarkable that you are here.
And I mean this in the nicest possible way
because, like, you defined yourself
with a certain kind of film in that franchise,
and then you did all the hard work afterwards
that kind of redefined yourself in a different context.
And I'm just curious,
did you ever think, coming off of 'Twilight,'
that you would get the opportunity
to be in something like this?
- I mean, I'm always just stunned by any opportunity.
I mean, it's kind of
that - I think, I guess you can kinda look at
a career in acting in, like, two ways.
You can think like, "Oh, one thing worked,
"and so there's the safe bet.
"Seems like you should continue doing the same thing."
And in some ways, that does kind of work.
I just always felt like that was the dangerous -
I mean, I'd just seen too many people do that
and then,
it just gets old.
And so I thought, the safe bet to me
would be to just kind of swing wildly
around in random directions.
- Do some Cronenberg, do some - yeah, yeah.
- Yeah and it's also, like,
it's just way more fun doing that.
- Yeah.
- And then, you just kind of,
you just get really lucky.
I mean, it's kind of like,
I was talking to somebody about, like, career plans
the other day.
I'm like, "I don't know, pray?"
[Laughs]
Like, literally -
- That's the best advice, right.
- Just really pray. Pray and just keep,
I don't know,
just keep, keep trying to do stuff and be like -
- Yeah.
- And also keep, well, keep your enthusiasm.
Even this, like, 'cause there so much pressure
on the character.
Like, if it wasn't such an enjoyable experience,
it could have been, you know,
really, really, really difficult,
but it was, like, just such a pleasure, as well.
I mean, and then seeing the movie afterwards,
I mean, this is like winning the lottery.
I mean, it's crazy!
- 1,000 percent.
- I've literally won the lottery, like, five times.
[Laughs]
- You know what, Rob,
you should actually start playing the lottery because -
- I know. [Laughs]
- Maybe you, I mean.
There's the great clip that's floating around that
people resurface every once in while
of you and I talking about 11 years ago,
and I asked you about, like, a superhero role.
Whether you'd ever play a superhero.
And you said that you had one in mind
and then you stopped talking,
you didn't want to say what it was.
And then you talked about how you were worried
the fanboys would tear you apart
if you ever did a superhero role.
So, I guess my question is,
do you remember what the role was that you were
dreaming of?
And were you surprised and happy
when they didn't tear you apart,
and everybody seemed to be like,
"Yeah, Rob should be Batman,"
when it was announced?
- I mean, it wasn't as 100 percent as that.
- That's not what the internet is like.
- There weren't riots in the streets. I've seen worse.
- It was less, I actually had -
It was less aggressive than when I got cast in 'Twilight.'
- Yeah.
- Oh, really?
- Which is strange because no one even knew who I was.
There was literally just off one photo
- "Who's this guy?"
- They were like, "Absolutely not."
That was way more painful.
But on this, yeah,
I was quite surprised,
there was a kind of weirdly positive reaction.
And I think it's because it was
so left field, as well.
- No, it's 'cause you're a good actor.
- You did the work.
He proved himself.
- We like you.
- And do you remember what superhero role you
were dreaming about?
- I'm trying to remember what I was thinking about.
I mean, I can't tell whether it's better or worse
to say if it was Batman.
- Just go with it. It's a good narrative.
I've been dreaming of it all my life.
- I mean, I think sometimes I was just -
the words start coming out of my mouth
and I'm not entirely sure
if they're really connected to anything.
[Laughs]
- Can we talk about music for a second?
[Michael] Giacchino's score in this
is just, like, out of this world.
I'm obsessed with it.
You guys also share a passion for music,
obviously, I know that.
As I recall, Giacchino's score
was, like, at least partially complete.
He had the theme when you were shooting.
So, was that playing? Like, when you were walking
in the room, when you guys are interacting?
Did you use that to help get in the mood?
- No,
but the first thing they ever released,
the first teaser in the suit,
when it's just, like, walking towards the camera
and the red light.
That morning, Matt [Reeves] had been given the first
version of the theme.
And so, he was playing it then,
and like, even though I was just,
kind of, just walking towards the camera,
listening to that song and kind of wearing the suit -
it was one of the first times I ever wore the suit.
I mean, it really did something to me.
There's something, like, forlorn about the whole thing.
There's a forlorn hope. It's kind of like,
instead of having the, kind of,
someone on a horse holding the flag,
it's like the kind of battered, like, burnt flag,
like afterwards.
And I feel like it's interesting
to start a new version of Batman
when he's kind of broken.
He's sort of broken at the beginning.
Like, it's kind of, it's not like - [Laughs]
and you're trying to build yourself up.
And I thought that bit of score was
probably more descriptive, more evocative,
than almost anything you could have
got your hands on.
- Zoë, I'm curious, I know you've been working on music
in your other part of your life.
Did this experience inform that one at all?
Are there any Rob Pattinson, 'Batman'-inspired songs
on the forthcoming album?
- How weird would it be if I said yes?
- That's what I'm hoping for.
- I'm just like, "Yeah, yeah.
"There's a song called -" - "Bat and the Cat."
"Yeah, there's a song called 'My Man, My Bat,'
"you know.
"And there's a song called,
'Rob.'
'Rob.'"
- "Rob, Rob."
- So, there's a song called "Rob."
There's a song called "Rob."
- The album.
- The album is called 'Rob.' [Laughs]
No.
- So, that's a no.
- No, no, sorry, no.
- Short answer. - I'm offended.
- I'm sorry.
- I reckon there's a couple.
- I'll write a song about you.
- Just got awkward.
- Rob expects every co-star to write a ballad about him.
That's just part of the deal.
Rob, has your 'Tenet' collaborator Chris Nolan seen this?
And is that mortifying or exciting
to think that he would
see this film and what he would think of it?
- God, I don't know actually.
I don't think so.
I mean, I don't know.
- I mean, I think I would like to think he hasn't seen it
because, like -
- Otherwise -
- I would imagine he would say something.
- Yeah, let's go with no.
- He went on Reddit and found, like, a pirated copy, yeah.
Who in your lives are you excited to share this with?
Like, share the finished product with?
Is there a family or a friend
that you're going to, kind of, live vicariously
through this experience for?
- I think all of them. I've never had a film
where I'm proud and excited
for my friends to come.
I'm usually quite, you know, embarrassed
for people to see me, you know, in the film.
And this one, I'm like, "Everyone come, come see it!
"Come to the premiere! Come check it out!"
- And people want to come.
- People want to come because it's like,
it's not like, "What's this weird movie that you did
"gonna be?"
It's a cultural experience.
- Yeah, send me a link.
- Yeah, exactly. [Laughs]
- The great Matt Reeves has talked about how
he's creating his kind of Batverse in this.
And there are already some TV shows in the works,
which I'm very excited about.
What's a corner of this Batverse,
as we call it,
that you are just curious
to see yourself,
whether it involves you directly or not?
- I mean, I keep saying 'Court of Owls.'
I love all the kind of super hallucinogenic stuff
from the graphic novels.
I think that would be,
that would be really fun
to be a part of it.
- Because we're meeting Selena
before she's really Catwoman,
so I'm obviously just very excited to see -
- A Catwoman show.
- Well no. I mean, obviously,
the next movie's going to be called 'The Catwoman.'
- Yeah, no. That's a no-brainer, yeah.
- We all know that.
- Maybe a cameo by Rob. We'll see.
- Yeah, maybe. We'll see, we'll see.
- Wow, non-committal.
[Laughs]
Looking back, we all love, all manner of
Batmen and Catwomen
over the years.
Can we just put together your all-star 'Batman' team?
Like, who's your Batman?
Who's your Catwoman?
Who's your Joker?
What's your Batmobile?
Off the top of your head, what are the top ones
in each choice.
- [Michael] Keaton, [Michelle] Pfeiffer,
right?
Well, OK, so well, Rob, but also Keaton.
- I was just about to say.
- I'm sorry, I've been -
I know, I know, it's Rob.
- Wow, the friendship ends today, yeah.
- Previous to Rob, it's Keaton.
Now that Rob has arrived, it's Rob.
I think Pfeiffer's my favorite.
I think this is my favorite Batmobile,
in this film.
- Joker, do you have a favorite Joker?
- Oh, I mean, Heath [Ledger]. I mean, Heath.
One of the greatest performances of all time.
Hands down.
- 1,000 percent.