the canon r5 is going to be announced
very shortly
most likely within the next couple of
weeks it's shaping up to be several
generations ahead of anything else out
there
ken Sony stop them with the a7 s3 well
the a7 s3 offer 8k video or let focus on
delivery detail 4k content with amazing
low-light sensitivity that the a7 s is
known for the Sony a7 s3 is long past
overdue but it's expected to be
announced in April it was expected to be
announced at NAB 2020 but as you know or
may know that show has been postponed
what will be the capabilities of the a7
s3 let's get into it
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description down below I almost bought
the a7s2 I was almost gonna say the a7
s3 I almost bought the a7 s to last year
but something was holding me back you
see I have a Canon 70d right now and I
was very unhappy with what Canon was
delivering us they announced the eos R
and at that point I knew I had to find
something else so I kept looking I
looked at the Fuji the Fuji XT 3 I
looked at the Panasonic gh2 a 7s the
a7s2 is an amazing camera it's an
amazing low-light it's amazing how it
performs in low-light but there was one
thing that held me back from it and it
was that it was use contrast detect
autofocus and for what I do my running
gun work
I need face detect I like how canons
autofocus is reliable I always have this
rig here setup with continuous autofocus
always on and it never misses and in my
run-and-gun work that's important to me
for my studio work it's not such a big
deal I could set it to manual and I
wouldn't have a problem with it so
because it was running with contrast
detect autofocus I decided to hold off
and wait and see what the a7 s3 would
hold it was rumored that the a7 s3 was
going to come out late last year in the
fourth quarter but it didn't
before I get into this video or much
further into this video I want to warn
you a little bit a lot of what I'm going
to talk about here is coming from rumor
sites and this information is a little
bit stale the only thing that I received
that is relatively new is that it's
going to be announced in April so if you
don't like rumors or any of that kind of
stuff you might want to turn away now
but if you do like rumors and you like
an interesting discussion let's get into
it
there are two different sensors that are
proposed for the a7 s3 the first one I'm
going to talk about is what is more
perceived as being the sensor that it's
going to come with and that's the newly
designed Sony fifteen point three six
megapixel full-frame sensor this sensor
actually has a quad Bayer filter every
camera that's released today or almost
every camera released today has a bear
filter and as you can see from this
image each pixel is made up of four
different blocks and those blocks use
RGB so in each pixel you have one photo
site that is red another photo site that
is blue and you have two photo sites
that are green and that makes up a
single pixel now there are some problems
with this type of setup it would be
better for example to go with RGB W and
wear a double based W basically just
captures all the light coming in and
would add to red green and blue so why
are we using it well a gentleman by the
name of bear came up with in about 40 or
50 years ago probably closer to sixty
years ago now and it kind of stuck it
works quite well we've been able to
fiddle around with it so it actually
produces very good results there are
better systems out there for example
there's a what's it called die crow
dichroic prism based system and what
happens is you've got this prism that
splits the light into red green and blue
and each red hits its own separate
Center blue hits its own separate Center
is same with green and that information
is combined into a single image and it
produces much better color accuracy
color detail saturation all that stuff
it just looks so much better but while
these cameras do exist they're bulky
they're boxy and they're just not very
attractive
so most cameras today including my Canon
70d uses the Bayer filter using this
simple structure the fifteen point three
six megapixel sensor that's rumored to
be in this a7 s3 is going to use
something called a quad Bayer filter and
that's a little different if you look at
this slide here what you can see is each
pixel instead of being made up of four
photo sites is made up of sixteen photo
sites for them for red for front blue
and sixteen for green what this is
supposed to give us is well one of two
things is supposed to
perform better in low light if you can
believe that camera already does really
really well in low light or provide us
with more detail and this is one of the
other doesn't do both it's either going
to allow you to have more detail or
perform better in low light this is
where you're probably reading that the
new sensor is going to be 61 megapixels
and that's really not what's gonna
happen so there's four times the amount
of photo sites to produce the image so
if you want more detail then basically
it treats them all it treats them more
as pixels so you're actually getting
four times as much information this is
very similar to what we see in the
Panasonic s1 are in that camera we can
produce 180 megapixel images using pixel
shift technology
Tony Norfolk did a really good video
looking at this and yes you are actually
getting 180 megapixels you're getting a
file with literally 180 million pixels
in it but the level of detail that
you're getting is more comparable to a
90 megapixel image and that's the same
with this sensor well yes it can produce
61 mega pixel files you're really only
getting twice as much detail which is
still nice look this is not a bad thing
but the one negative thing here is that
there is no 8k so the rumor that it
we're getting 8k well you won't be able
to do it with the sensor and I'll get
into a bit more of the math later I
won't go too deep into the method I'll
get into the details of why it can't
produce a Kay the other sensor is a 36
megapixel sensor now this sensor is
supposed to support 8k and I have a bit
of a problem with that you see to be
able to produce a K you need at least 39
megapixels and I know some of you are
going wait a minute that's not the case
you only need three three megapixels to
produce 8k video
if you look at this slide here a single
frame of 8k video set at a 16 point 9
aspect ratio UHD is seven thousand six
hundred and eighty pixels by four
thousand three hundred and twenty pixels
or for a total of thirty three million
one hundred and seventy seven thousand
pixels that produces thirty-two point
sorry thirty-three point two megapixel
so you'd essentially need at least that
from a sensor the problem is the a7 s3
is a full-frame sensor or has a
full-frame sensor and the aspect ratio
of that sensor is three by two so let's
go back and let's take a look at the
math one more time perverting it to
three by two gives you a resolution of
76 80 by 50 120 and that is 39 million
pixels 321 or a total megapixels of 39
point four so how on earth are we going
to be able to get 8k video from a 36
megapixel sensor and some of the review
sites that are looking at rooms have
kind of shed light on this as well it
doesn't really make sense are they using
some sort of strange technology could
they be using that quad quad Bayer
filter well there's no mention of that
sure there might be and again this is
rumor this is all speculation
when Sony was asked about providing 4k
60 into their next camera this is what
Sony said one of their executives Kenji
I believe I'll put the information at
the bottom of the screen so you'll have
his exact name and what he said was the
basic expectation is for things like 4k
60 10 bit 4 to 2 and a lot of
manufacturers are doing that right now
but I want to think in a different way
and create something that goes beyond
our the expectations of our customers
it's easy to add 4k 60 but beyond these
specs a lot of customers have other
kinds of demands and that's what we're
researching this reminds me of what
happened with Apple Apple came out and
said yep my bad the Mac probe that
trashcan won it it didn't have the
architecture it's not scalable we're
sorry and what we're doing is we're
gonna be meeting with our professionals
the professionals out there that use
this product and we're gonna ask them
what they need sounded good right we're
gonna have something more modular and
yes we did get something more modular
but we got at $10,000 basic computer
that's $10,000 base model with the
computer and the monitor and if you're
gonna get this computer you pretty well
have to get the monitor go with it it
just kind of lined up but the video
graphics performance wasn't any better
than a MacBook Pro for $10,000
so when sony says they're going back and
talking to the professionals I don't
know what that means now I have a few
new ideas of what I would like to see
the a7s2 had 100 megabits per second as
its top bandwidth I'd really like to see
that go up to at least 400 or even 500
megabits that would allow us to use
codecs such or all.i it would allow us
to get much more better detail because
right now that 100 megabits is not bad
it doesn't produce garbage it produces
some really good results but in
low-light if you're gonna start pushing
it you're gonna start to have some
problems so yes we want to see a little
bit of improvement in low-light we want
to see less noise we want to see 4k 60
and you know what it'd be really nice to
F 4k 120 and I think that's very doable
here I'd be surprised
in fact if Sony doesn't give us at least
120 or give us 120 frames per second and
fork
and I believe it's a foregone conclusion
that we're gonna get 10-bit for two -
internal as they've said that I don't
need a K but I'm gonna get the r5 I
don't even need six K so does anything
more than four K matter well yes it does
but not in a lot the way that most of us
think I produce mostly 1080p and when I
upgrade to my next camera I'm gonna
shoot a lot more in 4k but I'm most
likely still going to export in 1080p
what 4k gives me for those 1080p is a
master file where I can zoom and I can
crop and get more info get a different
angle without getting a soft image and
what 6k or 4.8 K or 5.5 K anything above
4k gives you in a 4k project is that
ability to use that as a master file so
you can crop in and produce better
results and for people that are
professionals this is very handy for
ordinary folks like me it's not such a
big deal for K 120 is more than enough
so that's why I'm really curious to know
what Sony comes up with which
professionals are they talking to you
which users which customers are they
talking to are we gonna get something
like the Panasonic s 1h which is a very
nice camera but it's very expensive and
of course I certainly hope that Sony
doesn't stick with that contrast detect
autofocus system it still doesn't quite
work for Panasonic
Ibis it works quite well so if you hold
the camera steady if you hold it like
this it's going to produce a very usable
image but I would like to see them
improve that a little bit more
hope they jump on board with a face
detector autofocus system autofocus has
progressed a lot in the last five years
look at where Canon has come pretty well
anybody now that produces an autofocus
system it's it's gonna be phased detect
it's gonna do face detect it's gonna do
id Tech and what we're seeing now is a
lot more cameras are doing animal I
detect which is great if you're doing
wildlife photography please Sony I hope
you do not keep contrast you check
autofocus in there the problem with the
a7s2 is it just doesn't keep up it
pulses now granted if you're doing the
event work if you're doing studio work
or if you've got a crew and you can have
one person dedicated to pulling focus
manually that's great this camera gives
you the tools to do that
you have ZBrush you have focus peaking
on my Canon 70d I can't pull focus
manually I don't have any of those tools
however there is one problem based on
the specs that I've seen there doesn't
see a peer to be room for the face
detect automatically autofocus so we'll
have to see I'd be surprised though if
it's not in there now one of some of the
issues I'd like to see fixed the menu
system yes I am primarily a canon user
and yes I complain about other cameras
Sony and others not having a very good
menu system but this is not a silly
thing to complain about workflow is very
important to me
some features and functions I don't
access all the time and I want things to
make sense I want them to follow a
certain workflow to just work for me and
if they're kind of haphazard and over
all over the place I have to spend time
looking for them I have to consult a
manual I really just don't want to be
able to do that so hopefully they've
really thought that out and battery life
this is after all primarily a video
camera why on earth can't they just give
us at least two to three hours of record
time sure make the body a little beaker
bigger make it a little heavier that's
very important because if we're gonna be
shooting video and we're only getting
about 45 minutes to an hour that's when
the battery's new as it starts to get
older that's really not a lot of time
oh and for those of you that do like
pulling focus manually how about some
manual focus rings on the lenses
themselves that would be really really
awesome now in terms of photography and
I still think that even though I spend
maybe 5 percent of my time shooting
photos you you want a camera that
produces good images now the ASEP
ministry is primarily a video camera it
produces 15 megapixels according to the
popular rumors and that 61 mega pick a
file really is only gonna give you about
30 megapixels of quality 15 megapixels
isn't that great it's kind of limited
it's kind of a niche but if you're
buying this for video great you're not
going to be buying this camera for its
photo capabilities this is a video
camera
so me you've been way too quiet on this
I was eager to buy this camera I was
waiting for this camera and I was hoping
to buy it five years an awful long time
to sit on something I have a lot of
Canon glass and yet I was willing to
switch over to this camera but you took
too long
you didn't give us any information there
wasn't even a courtesy vague development
announcement and then when Canon
announced the r5 and the rumors about
the r6 came out now I'm kind of in a
holding pattern I want to see what
Canada has to offer even though the Sony
a7 3 might be a better camera I've got a
look at the investment I have in lenses
and I I think this is a very important
point to bring up a lot of us we're not
canon fanboys we're not sony fanboys at
one point in our life we wanted to buy a
camera we did some research and we
bought that camera whether it be Nikon
Sony or Canon Olympus Minolta
what-have-you but once we bought into
that system is started buying lenses it
became very cost prohibitive to jump out
of it and yes some people might call us
sony fanboys or canon fanboys but that's
not really the case yes we can see
better cameras out there but the cost of
us jumping ship is very difficult and
it's really nice when the platform
you're purchased into has regular
updates for his regular communication
Sony has just not been there
I really wish they were provide us with
more information about what they're
doing what they're planning and we need
to see real expect so if it's supposed
to be announced next month which is what
I'm hearing it's gonna be announced
sometime in April that's great because
Canon has stepped up the r5 is looking
to be a very amazing camera just in this
video here I talked about how Canon
Australia had said yes it's gonna have
8k video uncropped with dual pixel
autofocus in all 8k modes and that's a
pretty big deal now there are rumors
that maybe 4k will be cropped maybe
it'll be cropped heavily we don't know
but then that's where the r6 comes in
where it's going to have four can most
likely that wouldn't be cropped so Sony
if you're listening tell us what you're
working on a lot of us are very interest
in this camera and we
like to see it very soon if you're not
going to be releasing it in the next
couple of weeks or in the next couple of
months how about you throw us a bone
with the development announcement thank
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