the president you gotta has signed me anti-gay legislation that would make it
a crime for gay people to do anything
but that is considered aggravated homosexuality
%uh so if they get caught the first time they could face 14 years in prison if
they get caught
again they could serve life in prison as a result of this new law
now this is very problematic obviously because the creators anti-gay
environment in Uganda
but you're seeing this type of legislation proposing other countries in
Africa including Nigeria
nigeria also has a very strict law against the gay community
14 years in prison if you're caught doing any gay axe
now what's fascinating about this is the US government has
basically threatened Uganda because we give them
hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid every year
and as a result yeltsin's we don't like this law we could pull money
away from Uganda mutt for some reason
that's not something that the president is really that worried about in fact
up Western criticism criticism toward Uganda is only
I emboldening him and the people the country so just to give you an example
the present want to sign the bill with the full witness at the international
media to demonstrate uganda's independence
in the face of Western pressure and provocation
okay that's government spokesperson same at I think
that what happened here was purcell when it passed
I'm through congress their congress here chance to review the bill and he said I
want a longer to review it and I want to get all the different points of view on
this
and I think what he was doing was weighing the internal politics in
international politics
and I think what happened in that time as we put a lot of pressure on him
but apparently the political pressure internally must have been greater
right so they must you know and looked yet under ten thirty to fifty fork
countries in Africa a make it illegal to be gay
right so there's gotta be a world the pressure they're like oh wait are you
with the gays
or are you guessing is all why why why are you were the days
and so he obviously could not withstand average don't get me wrong I'm not
excusing it
well he's a bad guy because about rightly look I think I think that
their is a little bit of defiance %uh in terms of what
westerners think I've Uganda they don't like the idea
Western culture influencing their own at least that's what they say
which I find very curious because as we mentioned earlier evangelicals are going
to their country
and influencing the legislation that gets propose there this legislation
originally proposed in 2009
right after there was an evangelical conference in Uganda
while the politicians that attended a conference drafted the legislation
immediately after so there's a direct link right there so western
culture has already influenced you but another part of this is
maybe he's realizing that the US is bluffing because the reality is US the
US needs Uganda when it comes to
somalia for instance and as a result there like alright so you're gonna tell
us your gonna cut morning we're not going to help you out with the relations
other countries
right she has become a bit of a mess in and
look a you people always hit a few other cultures but
you can understand that the blood cultures have a lot a great parts to it
in which there's a lot we learn from it in fact you on the show we start talking
endlessly about how you learn from that education system in bin Laden
from the health care in different countries like Japan et cetera right
are but they're also bad parts of other cultures including our own right
so for example in central asia they're so somehow I just thought kidnap women
rate them as a means of marrying them well that's on our porch in a bar that
culture and then of course there's
female mutilation genital mutilation which is about
also an African supports the Middle East you know I can go on and on so
yes your culture says you should hate gay people that's unfortunate part your
culture you don't have to hang on to your
all your country back the culture here in the US was to have slaves
that was a bad part of our culture and now it was
took a long messy war to get beyond that but we did and that was a great thing
so it's not like the wes is coming and saying okay
now you'll all be dead
a ride now we're just trying to help you I know
people are going to perceive it that way to get to a better point altogether
and what is the west by what's america I were americans on Turkish ease Armenian
by Heritage Jr's african-american Jesus is mexican-american
it's not like we're a go well as from the white folks are telling you do this
like some maybe we're trying to help a brother out beautiful rate realize it
and they do in this isn't helping your cause yeah and of course
the last time that this was discussed a terrible consequences
so so just a few statements from them because it kinda shows you
like how deep that defines really is Western opposition to such
anti-homosexuality measures is frequently criticizes akin to
imperialism
and from the president himself he says africans never seek to impose
our views on others it only they could let us alone
look when the US comes in intrastate your oil
and deposed as you democratically elected leader as they did in Iran as an
example
then you're right that's imperialist okay mats are yet to be looking out for
when the west comes as maybe you should you or your citizens equal rights
it's not really imperialism SS human rights now another unfortunate angle to
this story is there is a tabloid in Uganda that has published the names are
two hundred people that are either gay
or suspected of being gay the publication is the red
pepper tabloid and the last time that happened was in 2011 by a different
tabloid that no longer exists
they publish a budget names including the address is up people that they
suspected of being gay
and gay activists as well up by the way and as a result of that
David Kato who was a very outspoken pro gay activist
I was attacked and killed so this is a very very dangerous
atmosphere dangers environment and the fact that
evangelicals were country played a role in it and I'm not saying that it was 100
percent be evangelicals I think that the anti-gay mentality
existed there without the evangelicals but they went over there
they fielded they propose this type of legislation and then this is the
aftermath and it's a scary scary situation the real cultural problem is
not one of the West purses uganda's the
10 fundamentalism bursa secularism secularism says
all the citizens should have the same rights should all be equal
and you should base your laws on logic and reason fundamentalism says no less
so
use the tax the BER that people came up with either fourteen hundred years ago
or two thousand years ago or nearly three thousand years ago
illustrated as it was a literal fact but only the parts
that allows us to hate on other people other parts ordering comedian that we
show that we're just as guilty
let's ignore those right that's the real issue which is fundamentalism religion
it's already got people killed in Uganda
am i do worse yet