There's no secular argument against adult incest.
Brother and sister wanna make love.
What's your argument, that they're gonna produce mentally offspring?
It's nonsense.
Takes many generations of inbreeding to do that.
>> If you need religious doctrine to dissuade you from
having sex with your siblings, you might have a problem.
You might have a problem.
Now is incest that bad?
It seemed like that's the question Dennis Prager was debating on his radio show on
the debate.
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I mean, the guy, by the way, after the debate, literally the next day,
he was complaining about me on his radio show.
One of our neighbors who listens to him, unfortunately,
was Dennis Prager saying, mean things about you on his radio show.
I'm, yeah, he should, I crushed.
But anyway, before we even comment, let's just give him a chance.
Maybe there's a redeeming moment in this argument, who knows?
Let's watch.
>> There is no secular argument against adult consensual incest.
There's a religious argument, sex cannot enter family life.
It's a big taboo.
See people think that we could live without the greatest source of wisdom and
morality in the history of the world, the bible, that's what they think.
Even some secular conservatives think that,
they don't realize they're living on the fumes of the Judeo Christian value system.
But if you ultimately extract those flowers from the soil that
nurtured them, those flowers will wither and die.
>> John, we're both atheists.
>> Yes, notably.
>> And we understand fully how wrong incest is and
we don't need a religious doctrine to explain it to us,
to dissuade us from engaging in it.
What is wrong with these people?
>> Well, I think that we were born broken, we weren't born and raised in the normal
way where you are filled with a burning lust for your family members.
That only Judeo Christian values can briefly stop you from acting on, I guess.
We're just messed up and we're attracted to other people that aren't in our family,
we didn't grow up with, I guess.
By the way, can we just briefly note the fact that he's making the argument
is the greatest indication that maybe in his case, Judaism or Christianity or
whatever is the only thing that would stop these people from engaging in incest?
But also you'll notice that in his hypothetical,
he was gonna say something about the sexual joining of brother and sister.
And there are many ways you can refer to two people engaging in intercourse.
He chose if a brother and sister make love,
of all of the ways, you chose the romantic one.
>> Lots of e,b,g,bs going on.
So disgusting.
Why is talking about this, by the way- >> You gotta feel time,
he can't talk about income inequality, or the climate crisis or anything.
Do you have any idea how difficult the job right wing pundits have that they can't
talk about anything real- >> Safeguard against incest in this
man's mind.
So, this is why I worry about super religious people, like Prager.
So are you telling me that you have, thoughts of incest and
you just remember the religious doctrine, you're, yeah, that's wrong.
It's wrong.
>> Or he thinks that's, I think that that's a fair read of what he said.
But let's extend him an olive branch that he doesn't deserve.
He sincerely thinks that millions of other people would act on it if not for that.
Look, I've had my faith in humanity shaken quite a bit over the past six years or
so, but I still don't think that that's true.
If that was true, does he get that there are societies and have been for
thousands of years that were not Judeo Christian, that humanity has existed for
longer without Judaism or Christianity than it has with.
And they didn't just all smash until they were doomed.
There are generally secular societies.
I'm an atheist.
I don't believe in any of that stuff and I still don't want to kill or
rape or generally steal or any of this stuff.
It is not necessary.
>> I don't need religious doctrine to keep my behavior under control.
It is definitely possible.
And I think the two of us are good examples of that.
To be kind, moral ethical individuals just on our own,
just by understanding what's harmful to others, what's harmful to ourselves.
>> And caring about whether other people suffer, its not complicated.
>> 100%, I don't need religious doctrine to tell me that it's important to look out
for other people and prevent human suffering.
I just don't.
For those who do need it, I do worry about you.
I do worry about you, cuz again,
you literally need a religious doctrine to keep your behavior under control.
That is what you're effectively saying.
By the way, let's take a look at the religious doctrine.
I think that's worthy of discussion here.
So, here's an acknowledgment.
Incest actually is an issue touched upon in the Bible.
Incest was clearly condoned in the bible from the jump Adam and
Eve pro created, Adam and Eve's children also married their close
relatives by necessity, without it being considered incest.
>> They do cross over that.
>> They do, cain was married to either his sister or his niece.
Sarah was abraham's half sister.
Abraham's brother Nate or married his niece Milka
sounds like there's a lot of incest going on.
Seems like based on the bible.
The whole existence of humanity was reliant on brother and
sister getting it on.
Okay, yeah,
interesting how religious people like to cherry pick parts of their religion.
Religious doctrine, right?
Yeah, fascinating.
Anyway.
Later, God tightened the incest standards when he gave the law to moses
because the kids of those folks weren't genetically pure.
And look, I don't know, I guess everything had to start from just a couple of people
that were on the ark at that point.
So there was a lot of sibling smashing going on at that point.
Anyway.
Prager has more thoughts on this, unfortunately, I don't know.
Should we torture the audience with more of this?
Is he gonna talk about making love again?
Maybe?
I don't know if we should risk it.
Either the bible's right or the left is right.
They can't both be right.
That's why you can't be serious.
Do our christian and be a leftist.
You can be a liberal, you could be a conservative, but you can't be a leftist.
Just on this issue alone,
you just would have to say the bible is wrong, and you're right.
I like that he is apparently capable of distinguishing between leftists and
liberals.
That's novel.
Most of the media don't choose to do that.
I'm sure that the differentiation for him is absolute madness.
But but that's good.
You know, like, of all of the things that should ensure that you
understand that it's the bible we should go with it's their stance on incest,
which everyone basically agrees you should not do.
That's the thing that should convince you.
Is it possible that the bible which at the end of the day, again, remember was
written by men could be flawed or wrong, it could be divinely inspired.
It's not, it isn't, but it could be and
that it was translated religious doctors to control their behavior.
They're the ones who are wrong.
They're they're actually the most dangerous people in society.
Yeah, yep.
I don't think you're going to win over a lot of converts to Judeo christian by
the way, I gotta be honest.
I've never explored, like,
let me just be careful with how I phrase this.
Like, I never, I never even think about incest.
Like it never even crosses my mind.
All I know is the thought of that disgusts me beyond belief.
It just does it disgusts me.
Okay. I find it repulsive disgusting.
I never think about it.
I want to understand that though,
because there's gotta be a biological component, right?
Yeah.
It's a genetic pheromone, all thing.
Yeah.
Like Yeah.
Well, and and he he acknowledged one of the biological explanations for
why it doesn't exist.
And then he just discarded it based on rigorous studies he's conducted,
I suppose.
I don't know, like he says, it takes a while for it to for
it to start to generate some negative, you know, like genetic consequences.
Okay.
Yeah. Some evolution isn't like a one and
done thing.
Like it's a general accumulation of mutations over time.
Like what we're gonna try to get him to understand evolution.
I know you're talking nonsense to him.
Like absolute nonsense.
I wish it was in the bible, and maybe he'd read it