NEWS.
FIRST, AS I MENTIONED, LET'S GET
STRAIGHT TO OUR HEADLINER, RUDY
GUILIANI, MR. MAYOR, WELCOME.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
>> NICE TO BE WITH YOU, ED.
ED: LINDSEY GRAHAM HEADS THE
SENATE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION,
AND LOOKING AT BURISMA AND JOE
BIDEN AND IT MUST BE MUSIC TO
YOUR EARS.
I'VE GOT A LETTER HERE, ASKING
HIM TO HELP YOU THREE UKRAINIANS
WHO WANT VISA TO COME TO AMERICA
TO TALK ABOUT BURISMA AND WHAT
WOULD THEY SAY ABOUT THAT AND
HUNTER BIDEN?
>> IT'S SIMPLE, THE CASE HAS
BEEN SIMPLE FROM THE DAY THAT
JOE BIDEN CONFESSED TO
COMMITTING BRIBERY BACK IN
JANUARY OF 2018 IN THE COUNSEL
ON FOREIGN RELATIONS DIDN'T NOTE
ANYTHING ABOUT IT ALTHOUGH HE
SAID PRECISELY WHAT WAS
ATTRIBUTED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP A
YEAR AND A HALF LATER THAT
CAUSED ALL SORTS OF DID--
BASICALLY HE COMMITTED THE CRIME
OF BRIBERY, OFFERING SOMETHING
OF VALUE TO AN OFFICIAL FOR
OFFICIAL ACTION.
OKAY, HERE IS WHAT JOE BIDEN
SAYS HE DID.
HE OFFERED HIM A ONE BILLION
DOLLAR LOAN GUARANTEE, HE
THREATENED HIM WITH A ONE
BILLION DOLLAR LOAN GUARANTEE
AND IN RETURN FOR THAT, THAT'S
PART ONE OF BRIBERY.
PART TWO IS, HE GOT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE TO FIRE
THE PROSECUTOR.
ED: RIGHT, BUT--
>> AND THE SOMELENT COUNCIL ON
FOREIGN RELATIONS DIDN'T FIND
ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN THE FALSE CHARGE CAME
OUT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, AND THE PRESIDENT
OF UKRAINE, "THE WASHINGTON
POST," IMPEACHMENT.
IT'S THE SAME THING EXCEPT FOR
THE DOUBLE STANDARD THAT'S
CORRUPTING US.
ED: THE FORMER VICE-PRESIDENT
SAYS IT WASN'T BRIBERY, THAT THE
PROSECUTOR HE WANTED FIRE WAS
NOT PROSECUTION OF THE CASE.
AND THAT LINDH
AND THAT LINSEY GRAHAM IS
INVESTIGATING THIS.
HERE IS WHAT HE SAID ON CNN,
I'LL LET YOU REACT.
>> HE HAS A ROUGH ROAD FOR
REELECTION.
TRUMP IS ESSENTIALLY HOLDING
POWER OVER HIM THAT EVEN THE
UKRAINIANS WOULDN'T YIELD TO.
LINDSEY IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN IN A
WAY I THINK HE'S GOING TO REGRET
HIS WHOLE LIFE.
ED: YOUR REACTION?
>> SOUND LIKE A POOR IMMIGRATION
OF THE GODFATHER.
THIS IS THE GUY WHO SENT OUT A
DECREE THAT THEY SHOULD KEEP ME
OFF TELEVISION.
EVERY OTHER WEEK HE WANTS TO GET
INTO A FIST FIGHT WITH THE
PRESIDENT.
WHEN HE'S ASKED ABOUT ALL OF
THESE CONFLICTS AND ALL OF THIS
MONEY MADE BY HIS FAMILY SELLING
HIS OFFICE, HE SAYS I DON'T KNOW
MY FAMILY'S BUSINESS.
HE SAYS IS SO OFTEN, HE'S
STARTING TO SOUND LIKE KORLEONE
IN THE GODFATHER.
YOU'D HAVE TO THINK HE'D BE A
FOOL TO NOT KNOW THAT HIS SON
WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
I DON'T CARE WHAT HE SAYS, HE'S
LYING.
HE'S BEEN LYING ALL HIS LIFE.
THE GUY HAS BEEN A CORRUPT
POLITICIAN SINCE THE BROTHER GOT
PHONY LOANS WHEN HE WAS IN THE
SENATE.
EVERY POINT JOE BIDEN WAS A
POINT MAN APPOINTED BY OBAMA,
THE BIDEN FAMILY CAME AWAY WITH
MILLIONS.
ED: OKAY, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT
THAT.
>> NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT
BECAUSE THE WASHINGTON PRESS
CORPS PROTECTS HIM.
ED: I WANT TO ASK YOU THEN.
I TALKED ABOUT YOUR LETTER, YOU
WANT THREE UKRAINIANS TO COME TO
AMERICA AND TESTIFY.
>> FOUR.
ED: FOUR NOW.
IN THE LETTER I SAW THREE.
BY THE SAME PUSH OF
TRANSPARENCY, ARE YOU GOING TO
HAVE LEV PARNAS, YOUR FORMER
ASSOCIATE NOW BEEN INDICTED COME
AND EITHER TESTIFY TO ADAM
SCHIFF OR LINDSEY GRAHAM IN THE
INTEREST OF FAIRNESS?
>> IT'S UP TO HIM.
I CAN'T TELL HIM TO DO IT.
I DON'T REPRESENT HIM.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED HE CAN
TESTIFY TO EVERYTHING HE DID AND
IT WAS PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE AND
PERFECTLY NORMAL.
HE HAS SAID A FEW THINGS LATELY
THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNTRUE AND
COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
HE CLAIMS WE HAD A MEETING WITH
THE PRESIDENT AT THE HANUKKAH
PARTY.
ED: RIGHT.
>> IN DECEMBER OF 2018, SOMEBODY
SHOULD REMIND LEV THERE WERE
FIVE WITNESSES, INCLUDING HIS
GOOD FRIEND, IGOR FRUMAN, WHO
ALL SAY CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE,
PROVABLE BY RECORDS.
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF VERY
IMPORTANT.
WE NEVER HAD THAT MEETING WITH
THE PRESIDENT.
HE JUST MADE IT UP.
ED: YOU NEVER MET WITH THE
PRESIDENT AND LEV PARNAS AT THE
PARTY AND--
>> ACTUALLY WHAT I DID I
INTRODUCED THE TWO OF NEM TO THE
PRESIDENT THEY TOOK A ONE MINUTE
PICTURE AND THEY WALKED AWAY.
THEY SAID THEY HAD A PRIVATE
LONG MEETING IN WHICH THE
PRESIDENT INSTRUCTED HIM TO DO
THINGS, FALSE, UNTRUE, PROVABLE
BY TESTIMONY OF FIVE WITNESSES.
ED: MR. MAYOR.
>> SO IF HE WANTS TO DO THAT, HE
COULD MAKE HIMSELF INTO ANOTHER
MICHAEL COHEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
HIS LAWYER MAKES THESE COMMENTS
THAT ARE NOT ONLY UNTRUE
ETHEY'RE PROVEBLY UNTRUE, THE
TESTIMONY OF WITNESS IS AND
DOCUMENTS.
HE'S GETTING VERY POOR COUNSEL,
I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM?
YOU FEEL SORRY FOR LEV PARNAS.
OVERNIGHT CNN REPORTED THAT
PARNAS IS CLAIMING AN
PARNAS IS CLAIMING A EK
PARNAS IS CLAIMING AN K
EX-UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL MET WITH
DEVIN NUNES, ON THE COMMITTEE
THAT YOU KNOW WELL.
MET WITH VIKTOR SHOKIN IN VIENNA
AND THAT THIS HAPPENED LAST
DECEMBER.
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
MEETING?
DEVIN NUNES IS DENYING IT.
>> POOR LEV.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING TO
HIMSELF.
ONCE AGAIN THAT'S GOING TO BE
SHOWN TO BE PROVEBLY UNTRUE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT DEN DEVIN
NUNES WOULD HAVE MET WITH
SHOKIN.
I WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT IF HE
WOULD HAVE.
IT WAS BEFORE HE WAS DOING
ANYTHING FOR ME, LATE DECEMBER,
EARLY JANUARY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WANTS TO DO
THIS.
HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
I USED HIM TO FIND PEOPLE IN THE
UKRAINE, BECAUSE I COULDN'T
TRUST ANYONE ELSE, THE FBI WAS
CLOSED OFF TO ME BECAUSE THE
WITNESSES DIDN'T TRUST THE FBI.
THEY HAD BROUGHT THEIR CASE TO
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND HAD
BEEN TURNED AWAY AND WERE
WORRIED ABOUT THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
IF I WENT WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LEE, SO, THEY
HELPED ME FIND PEOPLE AND AS
I'VE SAID, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD
JOB, BUT THEY WEREN'T
INVESTIGATORS AND THEY WEREN'T
JAMES BOND AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE
PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE
PRESIDENT.
IGOR FRUMAN WOULD TESTIFY TO
THAT AND FOR SOME REASON LEV HAS
GOT HIMSELF INTO A GRANDIOSE
THING OR MAYBE HIS LAWYER--
HIS LAWYER IS SAYING THESE
THINGS.
WHY A LAWYER SAYS THINGS.
ED: IS HE SAYING THAT TO GET OFF
THE HOOK BECAUSE HE'S INDICTED--
>> HE'S NOT GOING TO GET OFF THE
HOOK BY LYING.
DEVIN NUNES SAYS HE DIDN'T MEET
WITH SHOKIN.
IF HE DID, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN
NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
HE SHOULD HAVE MET WITH SHOKIN.
SHOKIN HAD EVIDENCE MASSIVE
CORRUPTION IN THE UKRAINE
COVERED UP BY THE AMBASSADOR.
COULD BEING COVERED UP BY THE
STATE DEPARTMENT AND NOT BEING
INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI OR THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
HE HAD EVERY WRITE -- RIGHT TO
TALK TO HIM AND HIS DUTY--
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THIS LAWYER
IS CREATING THESE ADDITIONAL
PROBLEMS FOR LEV.
THEY'RE NOT PROBLEMS FOR ME
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY
WITNESSES AND DOCUMENTS TO PROVE
HE'S LYING AND THAT'S WHY I HATE
TO SEE--
I DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND I
HATE TO SEE A LAWYER DO THIS TO
SOMEBODY.
ED: YOU SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO
HURT YOU.
ARE YOU AFRAID, MR. MAYOR THAT
YOU COULD BE INDICTED?
>> OH, WOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU
KNOWN ME, ED?
>> I'VE NEVER YOU SEVERAL YEARS.
>> DO YOU THINK I'M AFRAID.
DO YOU THINK I GET AFRAID?
I DID THE RIGHT THING.
I REPRESENTED MY CLIENT IN A
VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE WAY.
I WAS SO EFFECTIVE THAT I'VE
DISCOVERED A PATTERN OF
CORRUPTION THAT THE WASHINGTON
PRESS HAS BEEN COVERING UP FOR
THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
YOU SHOULD HAVE JUMPED ALL OVER
THIS IN 2015 WHEN THIS AWFUL
CONFLICT WAS MENTIONED AND IT
WAS HIDDEN AND SUPPRESSED BY THE
WASHINGTON PRESS.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE REALITY
IS, I'M EMBARRASSING YOU BECAUSE
YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR JOB AND I'M
ALSO GOING TO BRING OUT A PAY
FOR PLAY SCHEME IN THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL BE
DEVASTATING TO THE DEMOCRAT
PARTY.
ED: OKAY.
>> I EXPECTED THE MOMENT I HEARD
BIDEN'S NAME, I TOLD MY
COLLEAGUES THEY'RE GOING TO TRY
TO KILL ME.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO KILL
THE MESSENGER.
BUT DAMN IT, THE MAFIA COULDN'T
KILL ME, YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE NOT
GOING TO KILL ME.
ED: THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
THOUGH HAS REPORTED THAT YOU
WERE GOING TO PERSONALLY PROFIT
FROM A NATURAL GAS PIPELINE IN
UKRAINE.
[LAUGHTER]
>> AND THAT'S BEING
INVESTIGATED.
YOU'RE LAUGHING IT OFF.
>> I'M LAUGHING IT OFF, BECAUSE
IT'S NOT TRUE.
IT'S COMPLETELY FALSE.
I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN
THE UKRAINE.
I'M NOT GOING TO FINANCIALLY
PROFIT FROM ANYTHING THAT I KNOW
OF IN THE UKRAINE.
IF THEY KNOW OF IT, I WOULD
PROBABLY HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT TO
MY HOPEFULLY SOON TO BE EX-WIFE
BECAUSE SHE WOULD GET HALF OF
IT.
LOOK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO
BUSINESS INTERESTS IN UKRAINE.
IT IS UNTRUE, IT IS FALSE.
IT DIDN'T THE FIRST TIME THE
WALL STREET JOURNAL PRINTED UP
WITH FALSE INFORMATION.
I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE FALSE
INFORMATION PRINTED ABOUT ME.
ED: LET'S GET THE FACTS--
>> IF I WERE REPRESENTING A
TERRORIST AND THEY WERE DOING
THIS TO ME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
LIKE MY CLIENT, ALL OF YOU GUYS
WOULD BE PROMOTING ME AS A HERO
AND A VICTIM OF WHAT IS IN FACT
A CONCERTED EFFORT BY THE PRESS
TO DESTROY ME.
ED: MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT PAINTING
YOU AS A VILLAIN OR A HERO,
WE'RE JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY
WITH IT.
ED: JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
>> I'M MAKING IT CLEARER.
ED: OKAY.
>> I HAVE NO BUSINESS INTEREST
IN THE UKRAINE.
ED: OKAY.
AND--
>> UKRAINE GOES BACK SEVERAL
YEARS, IT'S SERVICE WORK, I'VE
BEEN PAID FOR IT.
I WAS PAID A REASONABLE AND I
GOT GREAT PRAISE FOR THE WORK
DONE.
I'LL NOTE SOMETHING ELSE, IT WAS
ZELENSKY TO BROUGHT ME UP WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP, NOT PRESIDENT
TRUMP AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF MY
REPUTATION, AND THE UKRAINE--
>> HAVE YOU TALKED TO PRESIDENT
TRUMP IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO
AND--
>> I DO NOT DISCUSS MY
CONVERSATIONS WITH MY CLIENT.
YOU CAN ASSUME I TALKED TO HIM
EARLY AND OFTEN.
ED: YEAH.
>> AND HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND ALL OF
THESE COMMENTS, WHICH ARE
TOTALLY INSULTING, I I'VE SEEN
THINGS WRITTEN LIKE HE'S GOING
TO THROW ME UNDER THE BUS.
WHEN I SEE THAT I SAY, HE ISN'T,
BUT I HAVE GOOD INSURANCE.
IN ORDER TO DEFEND HIM NOT TO
DIG UP DIRT ON BIDEN, THIS GOES
BACK A YEAR AGO BEFORE BIDEN
HADN'T DECIDE TODAY RUN FOR
PRESIDENT.
MY THOUGHT WHEN I BEGAN
INVESTIGATING THIS WAS TO GET
EVIDENCE THAT WILL HELP MY
CLIENT PROVE THAT THE CHARGES
AGAINST HIM ARE UNTRUE.
AND THEY DO PROVE IT, IN FACT
THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO
PROVE THAT THIS WAS A CONSPIRACY
TO FRAME HIM IN WHICH HIGH LEVEL
DEMOCRATS PARTICIPATED,
INCLUDING SOME PEOPLE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE.
ED: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WHITE
HOUSE.
>> HARD TO PROVE THAT, HARD TO
GET THAT OUT IN THE CITY WHERE
YOU'VE GOT ABOUT A 90% HATE
TRUMP, VICIOUS GROUP OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE INVESTIGATING YOU KNOW,
WHAT I DID IN HIGH SCHOOL.
ED: JOHN BOLTON SAID YOU'RE A
HAND GRENADE AND HE DIDN'T WANT
TO BE PART OF ANY DRUG DEAL THAT
YOU AND OTHERS--
>> THAT'S FIRST OF ALL, DIDN'T
SAY THE DRUG DEAL ABOUT ME, ED,
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
ED: HE CALLED YOU A HAND
GRENADE, HE SAID IT ABOUT--
>> AND DRUG DEAL ABOUT, BUT
EQUALLY RIDICULOUS COMMENT.
FIRST OF ALL, FOR JOHN TO SAY
I'M A HAND GRENADE THEN HE'S AN
ATOMIC BOMB.
I'VE KNOWN JOHN FOR YEARS AND
HE'S BEEN A FRIEND OF MINE AND I
DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S SAYING THIS.
JOHN HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF MY
ROLE AS A DEFENSE LAWYER, I
DIDN'T TELL THE WHITE HOUSE WHAT
I WAS DOING AS A DEFENSE LAWYER.
I DID IT PRIVATELY.
WHAT I DID THERE HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH HIS FOREIGN POLICY GOOD
OR BAD.
I DIDN'T GET INVOLVED IN FOREIGN
POLICY.
I WAS INVOLVED IN GATHERING
VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE
TO EXCULL PATE MY CLIENT AND I
FOUND THE CORRUPTION BEING
IGNORED BY THIS CORRUPT PRESS
THAT WE HAVE I BECAME OUTRAGED.
REMEMBER I SPENT MY EARLY CAREER
PROSECUTING HUNDREDS OF
CORRUPTION CASES AGAINST UNITED
STATES SENATORS, COMMISSIONERS,
LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE,
REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS.
I DESPISE CORRUPT PUBLIC
OFFICIALS.
ED: SO WHAT DO YOU--
THAT'S WHY I WAS SO SUCCESSFUL
PROSECUTING THEM.
ED: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN
TO THEM.
IN THE LETTER WHERE WE STARTED,
LINDSEY GRAHAM, YOU WANT
UKRAINIAN VISAS, WHAT'S THE
QUESTION YOU WANT ANSWERED ABOUT
HUNTER BIDEN AND BURISMA.
>> I WANT THE FACTS TO COME OUT.
THE MONEY LAUNDERING, $3 MILLION
TRANSACTION THAT WENT TO HUNTER
BIDEN, THE CRIME OF MONEY
LAUNDERING, I'VE GOT THE
DOCUMENTS IN MY FILE, AND NOBODY
WANTS TO LOOK AT THEM.
EVERYBODY IS COVERING UP FOR
HIM.
THEY SAY THE CHARGES WERE
DEBUNKED, COMPLETE LIE.
THEY SAY THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF
CRIMINALITY AND HOW CAN YOU,
WHEN SHOKIN HAS AN AFFIDAVIT
SAYING IT WAS BRIBERY.
YOU CAN TELL SHOKIN IS NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH, BUT YOU CAN'T
LIE LIKE "THE WASHINGTON POST"
DOES AND SAY THERE'S NO EVIDENCE
OF CRIMINALITY.
THERE'S SHOKIN, THERE'S COOLIER,
THERE'S COLKNITSKI.
THERE ARE THREE CONVERSATIONS
BETWEEN BIDEN AND POROSHENKO.
>> WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT AT THE
TIME AFTER BURISMA GOT
INVESTIGATED.
RIGHT BEFORE BIDEN WENT TO THE
UKRAINE TO GET THE GUY FIRED.
ED: ALL RIGHT.
>> LET'S GET THE TRANSCRIPTS OF
THOSE THREE CONVERSATIONS, I'VE
HAD LEAKED INFORMATION CAME
THROUGH THE PRESS ABOUT WHAT THE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AND I'M
WILLING TO MAKE--
I WON'T BET.
THAT'S ILLEGAL, BUT I'M WILLING
TO TELL YOU, JOE BIDEN IS NOT
GOING TO LIKE THE CONVERSATIONS
AND IF HE WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE
HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIS SON'S
BUSINESS IN THE UKRAINE THAT CAN
BE DISPROVEN TEN DAYS AND THAT'S
CALLED A FALSE EXCULPATORY
STATEMENT.
IF JOE BIDEN IS NOT PROSECUTED
FOR THE CRIMES THEN NOBODY IN
AMERICA SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
FOR--
>> MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE
TIME--
>> THE PART I FIND DISTURBING,