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You know, if you've ever been in a position where people have told you that you don't
have what it takes to go for your dreams, this episode is a must-watch.
Amanda LaCount is a professional hip-hop dancer, choreographer, actress, singer, model, influencer
and body positivity advocate whose videos have received over 70 million views.
Amanda has her own movement #BreakingTheStereotype, which promotes body positivity and the belief
that any body can be a dancer.
She's been on The Ellen Show, Dancing with the Stars, The Voice, and alongside Meghan
Trainor on The Radio Disney Music Awards.
She has choreographed and danced for Ryan Blythe's “Raise a Glass” music video,
appeared in Katy Perry's “Swish Swish” music video and helmed her own national dance
tour Amanda LaCount Live.
Amanda, thank you so much for being here.
Yeah, of course.
I am very excited.
We are excited to have you.
Obviously, I stalked you for awhile on Instagram.
You are so inspiring.
I love your dancing and I loved our connection.
I'm thrilled that you're here.
I would love you to take us back to the beginning.
When did you start dancing?
I started dancing when I was two, so pretty much like my whole life I've been dancing.
Do you feel like...
When you look back, whether it's video or images, like did you just kind of pop out.
I remember when I was a kid I see old home videos of like spoons and like moving in my
diaper.
What that kind of like how you were?
I think, yes.
But, there's one picture I have, I think I was like a year and a half, like very little,
and I had big sunglasses on and I was like posing.
I look at that picture and I'm like, "Oh."
I didn't know I was going to be a dancer but I knew I was going to be a star, something
in the entertainment industry because I love being the center of attention, I guess, even
when I was a year old.
So, I read that part of what inspired you was seeing your sisters on stage?
Tell me about that.
So, I have six siblings, so big family.
My two older sisters they were into dancing.
I would always go to class with them but I wasn't dancing with them.
I'd be looking through the window and I would just be bouncing up and down.
My mom would see that.
I think she just realized that I really wanted to be in there with them.
She enrolled me in like the combo classes, the ballet, tap, jazz, and I've been taking
class ever since.
Yeah, so you knew it.
So you felt it.
Once you got in there it was like, "This is my life's passion."
Definitely.
So, I also read that one of your earliest teachers shared that you have this ability
to memorize choreography fast.
I'm so curious because, as I shared with you when we were DMing back and forth, I started
my dance journey...
I never took a class until I was 25 which, as you know, very, very late for the dance
world.
One of the things I used to beat myself up about was because I couldn't memorize choreography
fast.
I have a feeling it's very different for you.
Yeah.
It's not something you can kind of...
You can practice it but it's either like you have it or you really have to work on it.
Luckily for me I kind of have always just been really good at memorizing choreography.
One year, actually, I was maybe like 10 or 11, or maybe even younger, I had 17 numbers
in one show.
I memorized them so easily and that's when people were like, "Okay, that's like not normal.
I don't know how you're memorizing that much," because my sister who was in the same recital
was freaking out over having five routines.
I was like, "That's nothing.
That's nothing.”
She was like freaking out.
I've kind of always just always had that ability to memorize really quickly.
That's so cool.
So, when you're in a class is it almost like you see the teacher do the moves and it just
feels like it downloads like it's so...
Not quite like that.
I think what happens is...
I mean, after I do it like two or three times I have it, but really helps is when they play
the music, because then when I hear the music with the steps it just like connects and matches,
and now every time I hear the music I think of those steps.
Interesting.
So, it's not like I can forget the step if the song's playing.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Once I hear the steps with the music it like clicks.
Interesting.
Okay, so something happened quite significant when you were about 10.
Tell us what you experienced.
When I was about 10 years old this certain studio director in Colorado where I'm from
he begged me to come to his studio, like begged me because he had seen me perform at competitions
and stuff like that.
The dance world in Colorado is pretty small, so everyone knows each other.
We see each other all the time.
He begged me to come to his studio.
My mom and I were like, "Okay, we'll give him a chance."
Like why not.
I had an amazing year.
I won this, this, this, whatever.
It doesn't matter about that but I did really good that year.
He asked to have a meeting with my mom and I. I don't know about my mom, but personally
I thought it was going to be a check in type of meeting.
"Oh, you did this this year and this is where I see you going next year, and things like
that."
But, that was not the case, and he sat down with my mom and I and he goes, "Hey, I'm sorry
but Amanda's body type just doesn't fit my vision for my team," and kicked me off my
team.
Oh, off my team, and kicked me off his team.
I was...
People always ask me like how I felt in the moment and, yes, I was sad but I was more
like shocked that he even said that, that came out of his mouth.
I was like, "I did nothing to deserve this.
I worked so hard.
I did so good and he's kicking me off just because I don't have the right look, I guess,
to be a member of his team."
It was very hard to hear that, obviously, because that was kind of my first experience
of someone telling me that like my body isn't right for dance, like face-to-face.
It was really hard to hear that from someone that I kind of looked up to.
I was training with him for a whole year.
I mean we got pretty close, and to hear that from almost a friend was like, "Whoa."
Really devastating?
Yeah, definitely.
But, I left, obviously, and my mom encouraged me to keep going.
It was hard.
I wanted to stop at some point, stop dancing.
Close in, like was it close to that experience?
Do you feel like if you wanted to stop dancing it was because of that comment?
Yeah.
It was like if he thinks this then is everyone going to think this?
Is it even worth me investing my time and effort and all this if no one's going to give
me a chance?
It was like, "Do I try or should I try to find something else?"
Tell me about that exploration in yourself at 10 or 10-1/2.
How did you...
Because anyone of us, anyone watching, if someone said that, or something similar, to
you at that tender age about your dream, or even as an adult.
If you're in your 30s or your 40s or your 50s, and someone who you trust, who you've
worked with, comes in and has a comment like that, any one of us would understandably pull
back.
Yeah.
What turned it for you where you were like, "mm-mm"?
I think it turned from me being like devastated and feeling so down and bad and all that to
me feeling like confident.
I think it was just I realized...
There was like a switch in my brain that went from like, "Oh, my god, I'm terrible.
I should stop dancing," to "Oh wait, no he said that but I want to show him that I can
do it."
So I don't know what happened like in my head but just one day I think it just like clicked
for me and I realized, "Wait, I can't let him just like make me stop dancing.
This is what I love to do.
It's the only passion I've ever had."
So, it's like, "I can't just stop because one person that doesn't even matter said that."
Yes.
So you kept going.
You've also shared this.
You've said, "The media tells us that if you aren't skinny you aren't beautiful.
This is especially true in dance where the underlying stereotype that is to be a dancer
you must be tall and skinny and Caucasian."
You were told by many people, peers, parents of peers, dance teachers, studio owners, strangers,
even Richard Simmons, that you were too fat to be a dancer.
"But I am here and I've proved them wrong."
You're so dedicated.
You work so hard.
I think for any of us, no matter how much we believe in ourselves to consistently hear
hurtful words, it's tough.
How, at this stage you're at now, where you've had success, you're building your success,
you are such a role model.
How do you respond, whether it's in person or even on social media when people have hurtful
comments, or do you just move past them at this point?
Most of the time I don't answer, just because the reason they're doing that is for the attention,
so I try really hard no matter how bad it is not to answer.
But, every once in a while if I see something I'll comment back but not as like an attack
to them.
I'm never like mean and like, "Oh, my gosh, how dare you."
I never go that route.
If I do comment it's always a witty comment or like a funny comment.
So, for example, someone put, "Oh we all all no one's ever going to book her."
I was like, "You're right, only Katy Perry, Meghan Trainer and Ellen."
That's what I said.
I love comments like that because it's not like I'm attacking them or their character
or anything like it.
It's just like, "Well, you're kind of wrong."
It's just like, "Um, well..."
Factual, and you're responding through your own heart and through the hard work and the
success you're creating.
Yeah, so make sure you know your facts before you try to come for someone.
This is why I love you so much.
So, following your dreams no matter who you are takes tremendous dedication.
Tell me about when you guys were still living in Colorado and you and your mom would take
these 16 hour round trips to L.A. every weekend.
What were you doing and what was that for?
So, when I was about 12-13, I want to say, so two years after the incident with the one
guy happened, there was a dance crew called Latin Flava, and my mom was going through
Instagram and saw that.
She was like, "Oh, Amanda would be perfect for this."
I don't think she realized that...
Like this is weird but she sent the producer my videos and my resume that had nothing on
it, like nothing.
It was recital 2010.
I was like, "Oh my god."
That is not a resume.
I don't know how she had so much confidence but she sent in my stuff and was like, "Hey,
my daughter would be a great asset to your crew," or whatever.
This crew had some of the best kid dancers.
They had Kaycee Rice and Jordyn Jones and Lexee Smith.
These were all big kid dancers at the time.
Then she's sending me, like this nobody from a small town in Colorado.
I was like, "Okay, Mom, sure send it in.
Whatever."
But, the producer actually came back to us, and she messaged us and said, "Hey, I love
your daughter.
I would love for you guys to come out and rehearse and perform with us."
I was like, "Oh, my god."
Me and my mom I actually have a memory.
We were in the kitchen and we played “Celebrate” and we were dancing and we were like, "Whoo,"
because we were just so excited that I get like an opportunity in L.A., because that's
a big deal.
But, the rehearsals were every weekend, and sometimes we had performances, too, every
weekend.
We would drive 16 hours each way, so 16 hours to California and then 16 hours back.
And, I was not home-schooled.
Many people think I was home-schooled.
I've never been home-schooled in my entire life, and I just graduated last year.
Wow.
I've always been in...
Well, I was in private school til sixth grade, but after that I was in public school the
rest of the way.
It was very hard trying to manage homework, and then dancer teams, and then practicing,
and then a social life...
A 16-hour each way commute.
It just speaks to your dedication, and it speaks to your passion, and also your beautiful
mom.
Yes, oh my god, she is so supportive.
She would like do anything just to get me on a stage for one performance.
She would do anything.
Well, she loves you so much and it's clear because you're so talented at what you do.
Let's talk about...
I also love...
Actually, I want to put on this for your mom for a minute.
I love that she said, "If you ever got a big head that she would take you right back home."
Yeah, she says that all the time because being in L.A. so many people get one big break and
they think like they're the best dancer to walk on the Earth.
I'm like, "Okay, where were you a year ago?"
I'm like, "You were nothing a year ago," and then all of a sudden it just like switches
in their head and they think that they're a celebrity now.
I'm like, "Okay, like you need to bring that right back down."
I'm like, "No, no, that's not cute.
It's not a good look, and no one's ever going to book you if you're like a mean or rude
or egotistical person."
It doesn't matter how talented you are because they're 800 more dancers that are just as
good or better than you.
It's like you have to be a nice, humble person that's easy to work with and people get along
with easily or else you're never going to make it.
She always says that if I ever get cocky, or start bragging, or anything like that she's
just going to drive me right back home.
That's good momming for you.
Oh, yeah.
Let's talk about social media for a bit.
I think both of us share something in common.
We have a little bit of a love-hate relationship with it.
It's amazing, because that's where I found you, and we can connect with so many beautiful
people doing incredible things and find inspiration.
Then, of course, there's some tough stuff on there, as well.
How have you found it, or if there are any practices that have helped you have a healthy
relationship as a creative, as a performer, as someone really putting yourself out there...
By the way, just want to also say, every time you share pictures and posts you bring so
much joy to my feed.
Aw, thank you.
Yeah, really truly.
I would say that social media is like a love-hate relationship, because I love it because it's
given me a platform to like inspire so many people that I would never have been able to
even like connect with had it not been for social media.
So that's the amazing thing about it is that you can connect with people from literally
anywhere.
I think that's so amazing.
But, the negative is, I think for me at least, people are so quick to comment on social media
because there's not like a real consequence.
It's like they can like respond back, or whatever, but it's not like it's going to really hurt
you, or change your life in any way, so they're like, "Oh, I'll just comment.
It doesn't matter blah, blah, blah."
But, I don't think they realize how much that could like hurt someone.
Even just reading a message, if it's bad about you it hurts a lot.
I don't care what anybody says it affects you.
No matter how big you are, no matter how successful you are it still affects you because it just
hurts to have someone like tear you down like that, no matter how big you are or how successful.
But, as far as like staying positive with the comments, I always try to think like,
yes, social media there's a negative side of it, but the positive is so much bigger
and more important than the negative.
So it's like, yeah, I'll get hate comments, whatever, telling me I should stop dancing,
blah, blah, blah.
But then like the one comment that's like, "You inspired me," or like "I took a class
today because I saw your video," or something like that it's like that's worth the 10 hate
comments.
Like, whatever I don't care.
You have such a great perspective on that.
You kind of have to look at the positives.
You are reaching a lot of people and inspiring them.
Let's talk about in November a really big milestone for you.
So, you are on the cover of Dance Spirit magazine.
Tell us about that experience and what it meant.
Yeah, so Dance Spirit magazine is probably the biggest dance magazine in the country.
It's huge.
They've had the best dancers, obviously, on the cover.
I mean, Brian Friedman, like the biggest people in the dance industry on the cover.
Actually last year it was a goal of mine to just be mentioned in the magazine.
I literally wrote it down, "Just to have my name in Dance Spirit magazine."
I'm going to pause you for one minute because we talk about this a lot, the power of writing
down your dreams, the power of just writing it down so it's real.
Okay, go on.
Definitely.
My mom...
I was actually in dance class at my school and my mom came into the dance class.
I was like, "Oh, my god, what are you doing?"
I was like embarrassed.
I was like, "What is happening right now?
Why are you here?"
Because it's not like we have parents coming into our class every day.
That's weird.
She pulled me out.
At first I was like, "Am I in trouble?"
I was like, "What did I do?
I don't think I did anything."
She pulled me outside.
She's like, "Yeah, so I was just wondering if you want to like go to New York and shoot
a Dance Spirit cover for them Monday?"
I literally fell to the floor, like fell to the floor and just balling my eyes out.
I was like, "Oh, my god."
Just because like that's so crazy, because five years ago I would read these magazines
and I thought they were so cool, and the people on the cover were like celebrities to me.
I was like, "Oh, my gosh."
Then to realize that I'm going to be on the cover, like be one of those people it was
like full circle.
Also, I mean they've had maybe like two size 8s on the cover but never someone like my
size, so it was really cool to kind of be one of the first dancers, or one of the first
plus size people to be the cover of a dance magazine.
It's like, "athletes" or like...
Yes.
Things like that because, obviously, people think automatically if you're not skinny then
you're unhealthy and if blah, blah, blah you're skinny then you're fit, which is…
It’s not the case.
It's not the case at all.
Speak to that, please.
Let me hear your passion about that.
Yeah, because people always see me and they're like, "Oh, you need to eat healthier.
You need to go on a diet.
You need to exercise more."
I'm like, "Okay, well clearly you are new to my Instagram, because I dance every single
day for hours and hours."
I eat...
I'm a very healthy eater actually and people never think that.
They're like, "Yeah, you eat McDonald's every day."
I'm like, "No, that's not the case.
I eat very healthy and I exercise all the time.
It's just the way my body is.
I can't really do anything else.
I'm healthy.
I went to the doctor.
I'm completely fine.
People are still always going to have their opinion but I know that I'm healthy and...
And, you're a badass.
The first time I saw you dance I literally sat back in my chair and I was like, "She
is so fierce.
I love her."
That's all I can say.
So, let's talk about your hashtag, which I love, #BreakingTheStereotype.
What does that mean?
Yeah, BreakingTheStereotype is pretty self-explanatory, but it's all about kind of being different
and showing people that you don't have to fit in to be successful.
I've said a billion times, "People always tell me I'm too big, or I'm too fat to be
a dancer.
I'm not skinny enough," or things like that.
But, I've proven them wrong.
All the things I've gotten to do.
I just got back from performing at Coachella with Lizzo which is...
Which was amazing.
Thank you.
Which is a huge deal.
I mean dancers like dream of performing at Coachella with artists.
I'm only 18 years old.
Yes.
So, that's like pretty cool.
So, I created #BreakingTheStereotype to kind of inspire people to do things that they never
would think that they would be able to do.
I don't really know what else to say, but it's all about inspiring people.
I love it.
I love it, because I feel like so many of us hold ourselves back, because we're so afraid
of what other people could say, or even the mean voice in our own minds that says, "We're
too young.
We're too old.
We're too skinny.
We're too fat.
We're too black.
We're too white."
We're too something and can't do our dreams.
I love, love, love that you take such a strong stand for all of us breaking the stereotype.
You've been on a lot of incredible stages lately.
You've been doing some really cool things.
Any lessons that you've learned for yourself as a performer from doing things with Katy
Perry, from doing things with Lizzo, anywhere?
Yeah, as far as performing, I would say...
I don't know if this is really to do with like performing but something I've learned
throughout like my career performing and dancing with artists and things like that is, and
this actually goes more for like the audition part of it, is that performance is always
more important than like technique.
No one's watching the show and being like, "Oh, my god, her leg wasn't straight," or
whatever.
No one cares.
They're like, "Oh, she didn't go on the right count."
Who is in the audience thinking that?
I feel like dancers over-think that way too much.
Like, I've gone into auditions before and like messed up so badly, like badly, but I
was performing and I was having a good time and I've made them like feel something.
I either made them happy, or something like that.
They gave me the job because I was performing.
If you're in the audience they just want to see someone performing and having a good time.
They don't care about the dance.
You could stand there but if you're like having fun they don't care.
I love this lesson, because I feel like it's applicable to so many people in our audience
no matter what we're doing.
It's like in our minds we can strive for this perfection and trying to get it right.
But, when you see a being being themselves, having fun, emoting, having that energy it
makes you feel something and that's what we all want to feel.
I love that.
So, one of the things that you say, and I want to wrap with this.
I think this is so awesome, we're going to make it our Tweetable.
"If you love it, do it.
It's as simple as that."
So, for the folks watching, and we have folks all different ages, from 195 countries, all
kind of things.
What would you say to them about following their dreams?
Yeah, I would just say that people always tend to be like, "Oh, I wish I could do this
but this, this, this, and but this, this this."
It's like never let yourself get to the buts.
Just be like, "I want to do this, period," and then just do it.
I don’t get why they don’t do it.
That's not really fair.
I get it, it's scary.
It's scary to put yourself...
I love it.
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't want to make it sound like it's so easy, just like do whatever you want, but
that's kind of just what you have to do.
Of course it's going to be scary, and nerve-wracking and like, "Oh my gosh, but what if this happens?"
So, at least you tried.
At least you like gave it a shot.
I'd rather like do something I love and then kind of embarrass myself than like not do
it and just regret not doing it.
I am with you all the way, girl.
I embarrass myself on a daily basis.
Me, too.
All the time.
Amanda, thank you so much for being here today.
So, before you leave I'm curious if we can do a little bit of dancing?
Would you be cool with that?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, Baby.
All right, we're going to change and we're going to get our dancing on.
All right, everybody, so Amanda and I are here and she's going to teach us, us, like
I'm going to be doing it, y'all going to be laughing at me.
It sounds silly, but she's going to be the one teaching us a couple of eight counts.
We're going to try it a few times and then we'll rehearse it, and then we're going to
try and dance it.
So, do it with me.
Amanda, take it away, Mama.
Yeah, don't be scared.
It's not that bad.
I'm not going to like sabotage you.
Okay, so start off, you're going to jump on your right foot.
Come together.
Same thing to the left.
Jump.
Together.
You're going to cross your feet.
Arms down.
To turn around yourself, arms go up above your head and then you squat down.
Let's do that one more time.
So, we go right.
Together.
Left.
Together.
Cross.
Turn.
Up.
Down.
Yeah.
Work.
Go on.
Okay.
So, we just did up, down.
You're going to step on your left foot and do a hop.
Hop where your arms are crossing right in front of left.
Then you're going to do the same thing on the right.
Arms go down and you step to the left, do a little baby circle.
Same thing to the right.
Right.
Baby circle.
Let's stop there for a little bit.
It might be a lot but I promise you you'll get it.
So from the beginning, we go right, together.
Left, together.
Cross, turn, up, down.
Hop on the left, and right, and left, roll, right, roll.
Yeah, I can't see you but I bet you're doing great.
So, from the top we go, five, six, seven, eight.
Right and left and cross.
Turn, up, down.
Left and right and step, circle, step, circle.
Yeah.
Are you having fun?
I having so much fun.
I love it.
As long as you're having fun you're doing the dance right.
Okay, so let's go on a little bit.
It's not too hard.
So, we just did left, around, right, around.
You're going to step to the left facing the right side.
You're arms go back, then you circle around.
Then, you're going to do the same thing on the left but a little bit quicker.
Left, around.
Then you're going to step on the left, as your left arm goes up, and you do a small
body roll.
Then same thing on the right.
Yeah.
Then after that you’ll only have one more eight count.
That's it.
It's not too long, it's not hard, just a fun little dance that we wanted to do.
So, we just did left, from the new part, right, and we go back, around, and back, around,
left, right.
Yeah, good job.
Yay.
Okay, let's put all that together from the top and then I'll add the last little eight
count on it and then we're done.
Okay, so here we go, five, six, seven eight.
Right, together, left, together, cross, turn, up, down.
Left, and right, and left, around, right, around.
Back, and circle, and back, circle, left, right.
Yeah.
We're doing it.
We're doing it, guys.
I'm going to add the last eight count on and then we'll do it a few times from the top
and then we'll try out some music.
Okay, so we just did left, right.
You're going to go around to the left, so you're going to go down and do a left head
roll, and then last two steps you're going to go right knee in and left knee in.
That's like a, "Oh, I'm cool."
Make a little groove.
That's the end of the routine.
Yay.
It's so much fun.
Now, if we could just all get it in our heads, but we're going to do it several more times.
We'll do it more times, don't worry.
We'll do it together with you and remember this is a video so you can rewind it and try
it again.
I'm teaching this pretty fast so feel free to rewind as many times as you like.
But, from the top we go five, six, seven, eight.
Right, together, left, together, cross, turn, up, down.
And, left, and right, and left, around, right, around, to the back, and around, back, around,
left, right, and circle, and down, and knee...
Whoo. ...and knee.
Oh she's going too full out.
I was.
I'm a full out it.
Okay, let's do it two more times like that without music and then I'll show you guys
with the music.
Okay, five, six, seven, eight.
Right, together, left, together, cross, turn, up, down.
And left, and right, left, around, right, around, to the back, and around, back, around,
left, right, and circle, down, knee, and knee.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think you're ready for music.
Yes.
We could do music.
Amanda is so.
This is why I love her, she's so happening.
I'm not that confident but we're going to do it because it's fun.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Whoo.
Yes.
That was really good for your first time, though.
It's my first time.
Not bad!
No, that was really good.
We had fun.
We're going to do it again.
Let's do it like two more times.
Seven, eight.
Yeah.
Whoo.
We're doing it.
She's so good.
All right, we're going to do it again.
Amanda's going to go full.
I'm just trying to keep y'all, and you guys are doing great at home.
So, if you're moving at all that's a win.
Right.
If you're trying at all...
If you're even trying this I applaud.
It's a win.
Want to go for it again?
Yeah, one more time.
Okay.
And five, six, seven, eight.
Yeah.
Yes.
Whoo.
All right, now.
You guys got to see the pro do it by herself.
She's going to kill it.
I'm going to leave for a second.
Five, six, seven, eight.
Come on.
Yeah.
Come on.
Is she not amazing?
Oh, my god, I adore you.
Anyway, for all you guys...
Amanda, first of all thank you so much...
Of course.
...for taking the time to be here to teach us.
Hopefully we're going to do more dancing in the future.
Where can people find you if they want to follow your beautiful journey?
You can find me ... Pretty much all my social medias are Amanda LaCount, Amanda L-A-C-O-U-N-T.
Yeah, I hope I find you guys on my page.
Yes.
All right you guys.
Well, that was tons of fun.
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Yes.
We did it.
Great, you guys.
Great job.