hey Amanda Hales today I'm chatting with
a transgender Isley riced
Roy's German yeah yeah thank you so much
for being here
so transsexual transgender which one do
I use um you can say transgender okay
yeah it's transsexual a little I guess
derogatory no it's not derogatory um I
guess maybe it's outdated okay I don't
care okay
yeah so when was the have you always
wanted to be a girl yeah yeah I guess
the first time I ever like realized like
who I was
people like think it's weird but I guess
I was four years old when I knew that
something wasn't right okay yeah like
what was going on in your mind as a
four-year-old you're like so I have a
younger sister and she's a couple years
younger and I always wondered why am I
not able to do the things that she does
why don't I look the way she looks okay
how come my body doesn't like match with
like what's going on in my head Oh so
this is kind of an old an outdated
debate or notion but it's it's
definitely not a choice like you feel
yeah if you didn't have a choice no I
didn't have a choice at all
yeah yeah just like you know someone
they can almost say yeah if it's gay or
something or right um you know even
though gender and sexuality are cheaper
things but yeah I didn't have a choice
it's just what it was
when did you start I guess
changing coming out yeah uh well the
first people I told was you know I think
I was sixth grade seventh grade and like
your friends yeah friends and my sister
knew then but I didn't transition until
after high school I grew up like in a
very small town so where'd you grow up
uh in Mojave Desert near Joshua Tree Wow
okay okay hmm
when did you when
parents find out they found out after
high school okay yeah my dad always
thought I was gay okay and uh but yeah
and you're not gay
no no so which which sex are you
attracted to men by like headers like
I'm I'd consider myself right
heterosexual like female and I date kind
of sexual men
okay um did you have a girlfriends or
boyfriends I'm in high school I dated
both just you know mm-hmm yeah yeah I
don't know what to do
yeah did you fight it like you didn't
want to ever shank like transform um you
know I well I guess I did fight it a
couple times uh yeah like naturally like
yeah like the life I'd be easier if I
didn't have to you know yeah why would I
you know ya wanna like have more trouble
in my life or anything and I remember as
a kid I'd like prayed like I wasn't
religious but I was like pray to God
like oh you know if there is a God if I
wake up tomorrow could I just be the
person who I'm supposed to be and I was
like eight years old doing that Wow
yeah yeah and I grew up with the great
family - yeah your parents are great
yeah supportive okay if he had
operations done yeah I had a gender
reassignment surgery and that's the only
one I've ever had
what does that mean oh sorry yeah I'm
very yeah like out of have you ever met
so one who's trans before I don't think
I have actually yeah I probably have but
I just don't know right yeah yeah so
gender reassignment surgery is a surgery
down yeah were they so they did they
take cut off through no they don't cut
it off but yeah I wouldn't expect you to
know like who would know unless someone
talking about it right I'm very I like
to I mean I like to play just like I
think it helps be like asking like kind
of dumb questions and it kind of relates
them bigger ah yes that's my speaker
okay
so um so they don't date of it what do
they do they uh so everyone when you're
in the womb you start off as female and
like the clitoris turns into a penis
like when you're designated male or
female like when you're like developing
and all that oh I didn't so what they do
they everyone starts as a yeah and then
they make some incisions on the penis
and they turn it inside out and I kind
of they make a vaginal canal right and
then they make a quit so yeah it's like
no one would ever know yeah yeah and
functions really and you have it
functions normally mm-hm
when did you have the operation done Oh
five years ago it's very expensive how
much does it cost
I can cost like thirty thousand dollars
okay insurance doesn't cover that I
depending on what insurance you have hmm
did your insurance cover it some of it
yeah how did you what uh what do you do
for money
uh yeah I I write music for film and
movie or film and TV okay and I also
produce cool
what's the yeah you're in a band yeah
I'm in a band too what's the what's the
van called spectacular spectacular
spectacular spectacular
I got band started in 2011
I moved from LA to San Francisco mmm I
start up that beyond hmm and then we put
out a record did some tours and fun fun
did you play sports in high school no
what is actually what would be a sport
no I don't play like I guess I guess
yeah what I guess I like soccer soccer
was cool what did you do any activities
in high school no oh I guess I did me my
sister we're in Taekwondo okay yeah we
got our black coats well it's fun yeah
do you continue to take some of its
or nah I guess you were you on estrogen
so yeah yeah I was an estrogen
but when you have this surgery you don't
produce like much hormones anymore after
that and so uh I still take estrogen but
that's it I don't take testosterone
blocker because I don't have any
testosterone and are you on any
medications no no I when I lived in San
Francisco
I took some anxiety medicine just
because you know I get anxiety like
performing sure and so I took that for a
little bit and then I stopped taking it
because um I just felt like I don't have
any like emotion or feeling yeah yeah I
kind of kind of numbs it sometimes so I
guess yeah the rate you've heard this
before it's like 50% like a suicide rate
or something yeah it's uh it's not
accurate oh no yeah like well for people
who transition or have surgery or I'm
not sure I've just heard it a bunch of
times like those oh right first trans
people is okay like 50% suicide or
something yeah I guess if there is a
like a suicide rate it's not that high
though but um it's because I guess this
is a society and like acceptance and
family like if your family doesn't
accept you then one less thing that
you're gonna feel good about in life
yeah society doesn't accept you then
what were your parents reaction my mom
just said we'll get through this and
we'll figure everything out and say my
dad but I I'm extremely lucky yeah like
our parents will disown you or yeah yes
they shouldn't right of course um what
was like I guess the first so thick like
it's the first like catalyst like you
started wearing makeup
I don't know yeah so uh in high school I
wore like makeup sometimes described
yeah and they would be okay well but you
didn't I mean anyway what do you mean
like being emo or yeah I guess like
thank you
I don't know a thorn heights or
something why like war like girls close
to but I was I still you are like
dresses not to school but after school I
did okay
and so everyone knew in high school
not everyone know I was gay okay yeah so
you had some friends that you were you
bullied in high school yeah you're kind
of popular but I was you're just normal
yeah I was just normal Canada oh cool
have you been dating uh not recently I
don't know so okay I had a like one
serious boyfriend in like the last few
years but I'm not what that person any
war or anything but I been dating I
could go out on dates and how do you
usually meet like tinder
yeah tinder OkCupid fumble or sometimes
in person mmm-hmm so and it says it says
I'm trans on your tinder profile yeah no
no I talked to the person and during the
conversation I told them I say hey you
know just let you know what because the
reason I don't put on the tinder profile
is because um I've had playing in a band
and all that I've had death threats well
people are saying that they're gonna
kill me right next show and but that's a
whole different story
so I just don't advertise it like that
anymore and so um yeah we'll talk to the
guy and then I'll during the first
conversation I'll mention it and if they
want to continue talking to me they can
talk to me in that they don't then just
fine no hard feelings at all right I
guess what's your stance on the whole
pronoun debate oh the poor dog oh yeah
it was Jordan Peterson and everything
yeah I um I just
female pronoun right like and I mean I
guess I do think the government should
enforce people to use pronouns towards
oh okay like that
um I guess if someone you know
identifies as male
female then go with that or yeah well I
was confused too I was like well if
someone looks like a woman you just call
her her yeah yeah
and so I guess Jordan Peterson's opposed
to it because it's it takes away free
speech oh yeah does that offend you if
someone calls you refers to you as
hammer or his or I haven't had that okay
yeah good yeah cuz I yeah that would
seem like so rude yeah right I know I
feel I'm very lucky but a lot of people
aren't ya face like discrimination even
like in the workplace - yeah a lot of
people do yeah or they won't get hired
for jobs or taken serious and then I
yeah yeah I just feel like I have to
work extra hard did you have any dark
times like you seemed very like in a
like like in a good place right now yeah
I'm in a good place for sure yeah yeah
yeah like I'm happy now yeah that's
great it wasn't always right like what
was like the hardest time I guess I
always knew that I would transition but
I didn't know that and at times I guess
it seemed unreachable or unpossible and
I was scared of a society what they do
and how people would treat me what I
have a normal life and all that yeah
yeah and that's yeah I can't imagine
yeah but there yeah there was times
where I thought maybe it would be easier
just to not be around and all that and I
don't like drink or do drugs or anything
like that but during that time I you're
partying yeah I was marching and it kind
of like helped drowned out like some of
the sadness right but as I transitioned
things got easier and
yeah and then everything sort of just
fell into place yeah yeah that's great
and it would help because my family was
supportive - yeah and all my friends
they knew already right and then my
sister is like oh why don't she knew
she's like oh I was just waiting for you
to like hardly do it yeah have you met
any other I guess transgender people
that you think are just doing it out of
choice probably not not that I
personally met and like right you know
and if I did I probably wouldn't say
anything cuz it wouldn't be my yeah it's
like totally like soju yeah I think as
long as no matter like what race gender
religion as long as you're not hurting
someone or hurting to people like around
you like physically or anything like
that then people should be allowed to be
happy yeah yeah even like 12 years old
you started wearing my girl yeah yeah so
like my card wear makeup and like girls
cuz but like not school obviously okay
so you you just like a boy publicly
probably yeah I'm till about 20 and tell
about main Tina 19 yeah and then like
were you scared when you first
I guess walked out oh yeah that's a good
question to ask yeah yeah we're like oh
that first moment I guess yeah I was
super nervous yeah yeah what did you I
guess what was your outfit I had I think
I was wearing combat boots because I was
like cut you know like I always like an
indie rocker like okay like punk kid I
guess growing up so yeah it's like
combat boots in a like a jean skirt and
some shirt I forgot the name of the
shirt mm-hmm do you are you oh yeah yeah
Oh what about breasts yeah yeah I'm
estrogen okay so the estrogen causes the
breast yeah yeah so what also oh yeah is
it are the estrogen it's a prescription
from the doctor yeah
okay so even before I start to hormones
on anything my testosterone was already
it wasn't normal testosterone level
right yeah it was that makes sense
lower yeah I never had like any facial
surgeries or anything else just mmm the
bottom okay so so you already kind of
had like yeah breasts not what I don't
know not like my chest was different
yeah yeah so you never see never got
operation there yeah no yeah so
everything now is just like now did they
get bigger taking the supplements yeah
and then then they then they plateaued
yeah it plateaus and then every once a
while sometimes it's like they'll have
like maybe it a tiny growth spurt but
they like won't hurt sometimes hmm do
they lactate they have before
like what like with melt I'm just yeah
I'm asking like really no no it's like
good questions there so the first time I
ever noticed I was playing guitar yeah
and I noticed that my shirt like where
my nipple was was a what and that was
years ago
okay so that was like that happened one
time do you think you'll have kids yeah
I want kids definitely um obviously I
can't have my own kids but uh and
whoever I marry and if he wants you know
to have his genetics in the kid um we
can let go to a place - yeah yeah yes
surrogate there's lots of yeah I
actually preferred that for the husband
yeah I've actually I've I met some
people where they prefer that because
it's like safer and yeah yeah like that
they can they they can naturally have
kids and but they do surrogates because
it's like safer a ward they're like too
busy with work or something yeah thanks
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