i think what they're doing right now is getting us super acquainted to understanding
the rules and the definitions that way when
the rules are being broken we understand the stakes and we could follow what the hell is
going on in this movie because because of the fact of how crazy all this is going to be this
is all gonna be nuts and it is all gonna be connected and i think it's already connected
they're just not making it as obvious because it's not as simple i'm here to defend marvel
what's going on there reject nation greg and john here today what we're going to talk about today
might seem pointless to some yet uh i i don't think it is pointless especially when i go
online and i i see this being kind of a common complaint for some this may be already like an
obvious answer for others i i guess i'll i'll try to offer up a glimmer of hope if that's what
you're looking for i don't really know what we're talking about today is is marvel's phase four
has it been directionless i am often hearing that some people are feeling about marvel phase four it
makes sense to me why some people might actually feel that way yet i don't actually agree with
it being directionless i think there's kind of a fascinating point that we don't know where exactly
the mcu is headed we have our ideas of where it could be going based off comics and such and a
bunch of clues that have been given from the shows and movies but i wouldn't call it directionless so
before we hop into this if you guys can leave a like that'd be very much appreciated all right
so looking through marvel phase four there's been a lot that has been introduced you know
like starting with one division start getting a lot more sorcery abilities and a lot more
supernatural elements with things like moon knight and then you have things that seem like they might
be the biggest game changers for the mcu hands down you know you had like loki and then the
timelines breaking apart with uh he who remains at the very end of it he had the multiverse
with spider-man no way home and then you had dr strange and the multiverse of madness and i think
as viewers what we're so used to with marvel for the infinity saga is things just feeling you know
very connected in a very obvious way phase one through three which i find funny when you think
about it because the whole thing was leading up to the fight with thanos getting the infinity stones
it's something really easy to like wrap your head around it's really like physical really clear
through a line that we're building up to a big baddie by the end of it and we know who the
big baddie is but what's funny to me is how joss whedon just threw that thanos cameo in there just
for fun and didn't had no intention of it like building into what it became but that's what it is
and i feel like that's really set our expectations for the marvel cinematic universe going forward
so with this one i can actually see why people feel like it's maybe not connecting so much
because they're introducing all kinds of elements yet the movies and shows are not really going out
of their ways other than like doctor strange connecting to wanda's story in wanda vision
a lot of the movies are not seemingly referencing the events of prior installments in phase four and
going because of this thing that happened in phase four now this is happening in our movie you even
had to have kevin feige at the premiere of doctor strange too say because of the events of loki what
loki and silvi did that allowed the events of spider-man no way home to happen and the events
of doctor strange multiverse of madness to happen but the movies don't say that while the movies are
not maybe going out of their ways to to really point and go see look look hey remember this
guy i think it's because on the multiverse is something so vast and dense and complex
and they're bringing so much from the comics into the fray because what did we get with loki
we had timelines and then you have multiverse and then doctor strange too introduced what incursion
events and then with eternals you have gods you know even godlier gods yeah you have these cosmic
entities right now what i think marvel's doing i think they are having a through line the common
belief is that they're building up to avengers secret war i could see that happening i could
see that being like the big ultimate cataclysmic event i believe the comic run my god i should
have really done a refresher on this i read the comics before one division came out and my comic
retention memory in detail is not the strongest so correct me on anything i get wrong here because it
was like the secret wars in the 80s and then there was like 2015 but the one before the 2015 run was
i believe it's a comic called out of time i think it's called out of time and i think that's what
they're building to first which has like a new group of illuminati members from earth616 there's
incursions happening and they're trying to figure out how to save their universe while dealing
with incursions in the multiverse that eventually segues in to secret wars i feel like that's where
we're going first as maybe like the next avengers 5 movie with everything that's been set up in
place what i think is cool what the mcu has been doing is they've been allowing more often than
not sometimes you get things like a black widow i don't really feel like the unique voice of the
director in that movie phase one through three had a lot of different genres it did feel more like
marvel's directing this movie than it is like the own director's voice and i feel like you hear
like that more often close y'all's eternals are like close movies sam raimi's multiverse madness
felt like sam raimi behind the camera the shows really feel like the director's medium way more
than just marvel committee granted marvel's hands i think what they're doing is something that'll
kind of creep up on us in a way that may not be so obvious is that by the time we get that
crossover event what you're seeing is a battle for a lot of different authorities happening
right now you have like everything with the tva introduced there you have kang who's had
his own multiversal war and now king's back and he's probably gonna want to dominate earth 616.
situations with incursions set up by clia at the end of multiverse of madness you have eternals the
gods you know like this is something where i think we are building two secret wars but i feel like by
the time we get there that's when we're gonna see how it's all connected as opposed to telling you
beforehand how it's all connected if that makes sense yeah that's a really good point i feel
like they still want to be able to surprise us and it's only gotten harder and two i feel like if you
think back on the original phases of marvel we now have the benefit of 2020 hindsight in that that
was a three-phase build up to thanos so i don't expect the same kind of cataclysmic culmination
out of phase four necessarily and yeah i mean we have had phase four introduce a lot of gods and a
lot of new characters and a lot of committees that try to oversee but not necessarily interrupt what
is happening on earth or whatever realm is subject to the story the pandemic probably did figure in
koi said something that's always stuck in my mind of like i think they had a five or ten year
plan that got interrupted by the pandemic and now they're figuring out probably a new 10-year plan
but i still feel like yeah it's a first phase of what's to come even though it's phase four
even though it's continuing out of what we know already they're still doing a lot of setup and
there's still you know i think a lateral motion that can happen there and yeah i think a lot of us
are a little taken aback and i feel like this is probably due to the pandemic that there aren't as
many direct acknowledgments and direct crossovers especially with things like loki and they've had
to remix these films so how it appears to me is more like yeah they might have had to kind of
hamper some of that huge interconnectivity given the uncertainty of just the world right now but at
the same time yeah we have already speculation of secret wars coming down the pike and i feel
like they are well aware of that too and they probably want to make us you know focus on a
whole array of other things before getting there and so yeah while phase 4 doesn't necessarily
feel like it has a direct end point it's trying to get to it has had a lot of very consistent
themes and character dynamics that it's been establishing thus far at least and i think it'll
be interesting to see how marvel changes how its phases work and operate moving forward because the
first three phases are good to start with they're kind of crisp and contained you know they're five
or six movies maybe a little bit more than that but a culminating in some kind of avengers thing
i feel like we could see a change to that moving forward because they also have to make us not get
too used to like okay there will be five or six movies and then the avengers there'll be five or
six movies in the avengers so yeah i'm curious to see how they uh emboldened the interconnectivity
of the shows and films moving forward they did stress that at you know the the unveiling of a
lot of these shows and it hasn't played out in such a connected way as they suggested so i feel
like that's something that they want to do i feel like they just haven't been able to do it just yet
well i think it is all connected we just don't see it as clearly yet you know like the shang chi post
credit scene had captain marvel in it and the marvel's is probably gonna factor in heavily to
everything we're talking about right now and you know and then we got secret invasion coming up
because i think there's so much information like the comics enough are difficult to keep up with
that for bringing this to movies you have to kind of take this one step at a time so that way we can
understand these definitions better so that way when things start running into chaos we kind of
understand what the chaos is as opposed to there's a whole bunch of mumbo-jumbo words being thrown
around i don't quite get the differences between incursions timelines and multiverses i think that
the first three phases were so much about saving the universe and i think what we're building to
is saving the multiverse you know we got king the conqueror coming back for ant-man quantum
mania i think the obvious thing a lot of people are speculating on is that kang would be the big
multiversal baddie especially the way loki set the events and considering who kang is but if we are
really headed down this path i am curious to know if dr doom will actually be the big baddie when it
comes to the multiversal threat it would be cool if like we think we're getting kang to be the big
baddie but we're really building to is doctor doom who has like a mastery on the two things
that are being introduced heavily right now in the mcu which is magic and science fiction crap
cosmos like there's so much things that dr doom is the master of and when it came to secret wars he
was the big baddie of it he ended up taking like bits and pieces of the multiverse creating his own
world battle world i think is what it's called that's where the big crossover event happened
which got a new future for marvel comics moving forward after secret wars was a whole mix of
things so i think what they're doing right now is getting a super acquainted to understanding
the rules and the definitions that way when the rules are being broken we understand the stakes
and we could follow what the hell is going on in this movie because because of the fact of how
crazy all this is going to be this is all going to be nuts and it is all gonna be connected and
i think it's already connected they're just not making it as obvious because it's not as simple
even if they borrow from secret wars i think that's all it's gonna be i think they'll really
borrow from it civil war was very different in the comics than it was in the movies the infinity
saga very different too you know they might be borrowing like the the main idea but i think what
they're they're um streamlining some of it to make it more digestible for the average audience member
i'm here to defend marvel i get that paycheck you gotta marvel's gotta pay me my money that's
right they need they need your help don't hold out hope guys just stop don't know it's all gonna make
sense it'll it'll connect you'll get your cameos i promise all cameos are coming get your iron
man 2 level of inter crossover guys anyway what do you guys think i'll talk with you guys soon