>>> WELCOME BACK.
THE PANEL IS HERE, CORRESPONDENT
LEIGH ANN CALDWELL, CORNELL
BELCHER, BRAD TODD AND AMY
WALTER, PUBLISHER OF THE
"POLITICO" REPORT.
THE CDC RULE, LEIGH ANN,
ESSENTIALLY SAID ANYONE WHO WENT ACROSS THE BORDER WAS SENT BACK
ACROSS THE BORDER WAS SENT BACK
IMMEDIATELY DUE TO COVID, DUE TO
PARAMETERS.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN ORDER TO
LIFT IT NOW.
HOW THORNY IS IS THIS GOING TO
GET?
>> EXTREMELY THORNY, AND THAT IS
AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR
REELECTION, ESPECIALLY THIS WILL
BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM. YOU HAVE SENATOR MARK KELLY IN
YOU HAVE SENATOR MARK KELLY IN
ARIZONA, CARLENE CORTEZ IN
NEVADA, AND THEY SAID, YOU DID
THIS WITHOUT A PLAN.
I HAVE BEEN PUSHING THE
ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE A PLAN
FOR IMMIGRATION BEFORE THIS IS
RESCINDED, AND THEY DIDN'T DO
THAT.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT THIS COULD
BE A VERY HUGE PROBLEM FOR
DEMOCRATS.
AND SOME DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO
SPIN IT AND SAYING, WELL, LOOK,
HERE IS ONE THING THAT IS GOOD.
THESE DEMOCRATS CAN TRY TO
DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES FROM
THE PRESIDENT AND SHOW THEY ARE
TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR
THEIR STATES, AND THAT IS THE
ONLY POSITIVE.
>> YOU CAN PULL A MUSCLE WITH
THAT SPIN.
AMY WALTER, I WANT TO PUT UP --
SHE BROUGHT UP MARK KELLY, AND I
HAD ANOTHER SENATOR IN HERE, MAGGIE HASSON.
MAGGIE HASSON.
MAGGIE HASSON, ENDING TITLE 42
WILL LEAD TO A MIGRANT SURGE.
AND ENDING TITLE 42 WOULD BE
MASSIVE.
>> THIS IS MUCH ABOUT THE ISSUE
OF COMPETENCY, PREPAREDNESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU AND I -- WELL,
EVERYONE AROUND THIS TABLE, WE
WATCH A LOT OF CAMPAIGN ADS.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING A LOT OF
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY ADS, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE IMMIGRATION IS IN
EVERY ONE OF THOSE ADS.
SO I WENT BACK AND ASKED THE
FOLKS WHO COVER THIS, BUT MORE
SO THAN EVER.
AT THIS POINT, THIS IS EARLY
MARCH, MORE THAN 30% OF ALL
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY ADS MENTION
THE BORDER OR IMMIGRATION.
AT THIS POINT IN 2018, IT WAS
12%.
IT IS AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT JUST
ANIMATING -- RIGHT NOW IT'S
ANIMATING THE REPUBLICAN BASE,
BUT IT BECOMES MORE ABOUT IS THE
ADMINISTRATION PREPARED TO DEAL
WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT GO ON
THEIR PLATE, AND IT JUST SEEMS
SO OFTEN WITH THE ADMINISTRATION
THUS FAR IT IS MUCH MORE ABOUT
WISH CASTING THAN IT IS
PREPARATION.
WISH CASTING ABOUT INFLATION,
RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE
TRANSITORY.
WISH CASTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO
GET MANCHIN, WE'RE GOING TO GET
SINEMA, THEY'LL COME AROUND
EVENTUALLY.
THIS IMMIGRATION ISN'T GOING TO
SOLVE ITSELF.
THE BORDER ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE
ITSELF.
>> BRAD, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THIS LITERALLY I THINK AN HOUR
BEFORE THE NEWS CAME OUT.
I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OFFICIALS
WHO SAID, HEY, IT'S MAY 23rd.
A NEW VARIANT MAY COME, AND
DON'T BE SURPRISED IF MAY 23rd
IS NOT THE REAL DEADLINE.
>> WELL, THEY USE IT TO KEEP THE
NUMBERS DOWN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S DONE.
TWO DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS STOOD UP TO ME ON THIS.
ONE IS DENNY HOYER.
HE IS ON THE LEFT AND HE IS
ENCOURAGING THE ADMINISTRATION
TO KEEP TITLE 42.
THE SMART DEMOCRATS ARE FIGURING
OUT THEY HAVE TO WIN IN 2022.
>> CORNELL, DO YOU BUY THAT?
>> LET'S GET TO IMMIGRATION
HERE, RIGHT?
THERE IS A REASON WHY IT'S IN A
REPUBLICAN AD, RIGHT?
WE'VE SEEN THIS PLAY BEFORE,
RIGHT?
THIS IS A PART OF THAT MORE FUEL
FOR DRIVING THE TRIBALISM THAT
REPUBLICANS SEE AS PART OF THEIR
POLITICAL CALCULUS IS HOW THEY
DRIVE THIS.
RESEARCH IS FAIRLY CLEAR ON
THIS.
THIS SATURATION HAS BEEN DRIVEN
BY REPUBLICANS AND THEY'RE
FEEDING THIS.
I REMEMBER WHEN A GUY NAMED
BARACK OBAMA THOUGHT HE HAD AN
IMMIGRATION DEAL WITH THE PARTY
OF EIGHT.
BUT IT WAS NOT HAVING A DEAL FOR
REFORM THAT INCLUDED A PATHWAY.
BY THE WAY, MOST AMERICANS THINK
YOU SHOULD PAY A PENALTY AND
THERE SHOULD BE A PATHWAY.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
DO YOU KNOW WHY IT'S NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN IN BECAUSE REPUBLICANS
IN CONGRESS DON'T WANT IT TO
HAPPEN.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING,
LEIGH ANN, I HAD SOMEONE VERY
SMART SAY TO ME, YOU CAN TAKE
THAT NOW, BUT YOU WON'T GET AS
MANY DEMOCRATS.
>> THE POLICY HAS COMPLETELY
CHANGED ON IMMIGRATION AND THE
GANG OF EIGHT BILL WILL NOT
PASS.
THAT'S WHY SENATOR CORNYN,
SENATOR DURBIN HAS BEEN TALKING
ABOUT IMMIGRATION FOR MANY, MANY
MONTHS.
IT IS GOING ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.
THE PROBLEM IS, YES, IMMIGRATION
IS A REPUBLICAN BASE THING, BUT
ONCE THERE'S THESE IMAGES OF THE
BORDER BEING CHAOTIC AND PEOPLE
BEING HURT OR KILLED IN THE
DESERT BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING
TO BE TRAFFICKED OR THE CARTELS
WERE BRINGING THEM, THAT STARTS
TO IMPACT THE INDEPENDENT
VOTERS, AND IT STARTS TO -- SO,
AS YOU MENTIONED, A LOT OF
DISCORD.
>> THIS SUMMER WE MAY HAVE TWICE
THE FLOW WE HAD LAST SUMMER.
>> WE HAVE JOB OPENINGS.
NO, NO, THIS IS THE THING.
THERE IS REAL INCENTIVES BESIDES
CONCERN ABOUT THEIR OWN PERSONAL
SAFETY.
>> YES, WE SHOULD -- AS OPPOSED
TO SENDING THE HAITIANS BACK,
HOW ABOUT PUTTING THEM TO WORK
IN THESE JOBS THAT AMERICANS
DON'T WANT RIGHT NOW?
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
BECAUSE IT'S A TRIBAL FEAR
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> AMY, I WAS REMINDED YESTERDAY
THAT DACA A RERECIPIENTS ARE IN