>>> SO, JUNE IS PRIDE MONTH.
WE JUST MET JENNIFER AND LAUREN,
A COUPLE WHOSE LOVE FOR EACH
OTHER INSPIRED THEM TO STAY
TOGETHER AND KEEP THE FAMILY
INTACT AFTER LAUREN REVEALED SHE
IS TRANSGENDER.
EVERY STORY IS DIFFERENT.
ANOTHER COUPLE FEATURED ON "LOST
IN TRANSITION" IS CINDY AND
TROY, WHO NOW GOES BY THE NAME
LUCY.
WATCH.
>> HE WAS LIKE A BREATH OF FRESH
AIR.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS MEN
OUT THERE THAT COULD BE THAT
KIND AND SWEET.
I KNEW THAT TROY WAS THE MAN
THAT I HAD ALWAYS HOPED FOR.
LAST NOVEMBER, WE HAD GONE TO
COLORADO.
ON THE WAY HOME, IT STARTED TO
SNOW.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BIG
FLAKES.
I DON'T SEE A LOT OF SNOW.
AND HE JUST STARTED TALKING.
>> I JUST REACHED A POINT WHERE
I WAS TIRED OF IT.
I HAD SAT BACK AND KEPT SILENT
FOR 40-SOMETHING YEARS AND I'M
SICK OF IT.
SHE'S GOT TO KNOW.
I JUST BLURTED IT OUT.
>> I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I'VE
ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A GIRL.
AND JUST ABOUT KNOCKED ME
THROUGH THE ROOF.
I HAD NO IDEA.
NONE.
>> I COULD SEE THAT I HURT HER.
AND I MEAN DEEPLY.
>> I SCREAMED.
LIKE, BLOOD-CURDLING SCREAM FROM
THE BOTTOM OF MY BEING.
WE'RE STILL CURRENTLY TOGETHER
BECAU
BECAUSE, I GUESS --
>> WE'RE STILL IN LOVE.
>> WE STILL LOVE EACH OTHER.
BUT IF HE TRANSITIONS TO A
WOMAN, AS FAR AS US BEING LIKE
WE ARE TODAY, IT'S OVER, THAT
PART OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WOULD
BE OVER.
>> SO, I'M STUCK.
>> JOINING ME NOW, LUCY AND
CINDY.
WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.
>> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
SO, IN CASE ANYONE IS CONFUSED
WHY LUCY IS DRESSED MALE, YOU'RE
NOT READY YET TO PRESENT AS
FEMALE PUBLICLY, RIGHT?
WE'LL GET TO THAT PIECE OF YOUR
JOURNEY A LITTLE BIT LATER.
BUT YOU SPOKE IN THAT PIECE
ABOUT GIVING LUCY THE ULTIMATUM.
IF YOU GO THROUGH WITH THIS, I'M
OUT.
WHY?
>> I THINK AT THE TIME MY
EMOTIONS WERE SO HIGH, AND I WAS
SO TAKEN OFFGUARD WITH ALL THIS,
THAT I WASN'T -- I JUST COULDN'T
THINK ABOUT THIS MAN THAT I'VE
LOVED, ALL OF A SUDDEN BEING A
WOMAN.
AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE I
WOULD FIT IN HER LIFE.
IT WAS LIKE, I WANT TO BE WITH A
MAN.
I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH A WOMAN.
AND SO, IT WAS JUST TERRIFYING
FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THIS
MIGHT TAKE US.
>> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR MY
RELATIONSHIP?
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU SAY YOU'VE KNOWN SINCE
YOU WERE 3.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> WHAT ARE THE FIRST MEMORIES
YOU HAD OF MAKING THIS
REALIZATION?
>> WHERE I WAS GROWING UP, I
THINK IT WAS COLORADO, WE HAD
AREAS WHERE BOYS AND GIRLS
PLAYED SEPARATELY.
AND I KEPT GOING TOWARDS THE
GIRLS.
AND THEY SAID, NO, YOU HAVE TO
GO OVER HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE A
BOY.
AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE
AS I, YOU KNOW, I VISUALIZED
MYSELF, I LOOKED -- KIDS GO BY
VISUALIZATION OF WHAT THEY
RELATE TO, WHAT THEY SEE.
AND I DIDN'T FEEL OR SEE
MYSELF -- WHEN YOU'RE AT THAT
AGE, THAT'S WHEN CHILDREN ARE
ASSERTING THEMSELVES.
AND THESE ARE MEMORIES THAT GOT
SUPPRESSED AND COMEREMEMBERING .
I REMEMBER GOING TOWARDS THE
GIRL GROUPS, PLAYING OVER HERE.
>> HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY YOU'VE
BEEN ACTIVELY LIVING WITH THIS
SECRET?
I KNOW.
I KNOW WHAT I AM BUT I DON'T
FEEL LIKE I CAN TELL.
>> ACTIVELY LIVING -- IT'S MY
ENTIRE LIFE.
IT'S AFFECTED WHERE I WENT IN
CAREER, EDUCATION,
RELATIONSHIPS, FAMILY.
>> WHAT MADE YOU ANNOUNCE IT?
YOU ANNOUNCED IT IN A SHOCKING
MANNER ON THE PHONE LIKE, I'M A
GIRL.
RIGHT?
WHAT MADE YOU DO IT THAT WAY?
>> I HAD DONE -- I HAD BEEN
SIMILAR, I WENT THE UBER
MASCULINE DIRECTION AND REACHED
A PHYSICAL GOAL OF WORKING OUT
AND AT A POINT WHERE I WAS AT MY
PEAK.
AND RATHER THAN BEING HAPPY
ABOUT IT --
>> LIKE MUSCLES AND SO ON?
>> YEAH.
IT WAS PHYSICAL.
AND IT WAS CAREER AND
EVERYTHING.
I HAD REALLY EMASCULATED MYSELF
AND FIGURED, I REACHED MANHOOD.
I GOT DEPRESSED.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE WAS
THIS BEWILDERMENT STAGE.
BEWILDERMENT CAME OUT AND
EVERYTHING CAME OUT AS FAR AS
BEING DEPRESSED.
AND IT CONFUSED ME.
WHY AM I CONFUSED?
WHY AM I DEPRESSED?
I THOUGHT ABOUT TRANSITIONING,
WHEN I FINALLY DISCOVERED WHAT
TRANSGENDER WAS.
BUT I NEVER CONNECTED THE DOT.
I NEVER CONNECTED THAT.
AND AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH ON
DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY, YOU
KNOW, PEOPLE -- THE
PSYCHOLOGISTS AND EVERYTHING I
READ SAID YOU HAVE TO PEEL BACK
THE LAYERS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
WAS BURIED.
BUT THEN I READ AN ARTICLE THAT
SAID IT MIGHT NOT BE BURIED.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ON THE
SURFACE THAT YOU'RE NOT
CONNECTING.
AND THAT JUST NAILED IT.
AND I SAID, I CAN'T GO BACK TO
BEING DEPRESSED.
I CAN'T SUPPRESS THIS ONE
ANYMORE.
>> NOT SURPRISINGLY, RIGHT?
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU BROKE THE
RULES AND DELIVERING THE NEWS TO
CINDY THAT WE WASN'T TEXTBOOK
GENTLE.
>> NO.
>> YOU WERE ANGRY.
YOU FELT LIED TO.
>> YEAH.
I WAS VERY ANGRY.
>> DID YOU FEEL YOU HAD BEEN
FRAUDULENTLY INDUCED INTO THE
RELATIONSHIP?
>> I DID BECAUSE THERE WAS
NEVER, TO ME -- THERE WASN'T
SIGNS THAT HE WAS ANY WAY NEAR
GIRL.
I MEAN, WE USED TO TEASE BECAUSE
TROY IS REALLY SWEET AND GENTLE
AND KIND.
AND HE HAD SO MANY QUALITIES
THAT I HAVEN'T FOUND IN SOMEONE
ELSE.
SO, WE USED TO TEASE.
AND I WOULD SAY, MAN, YOU'RE
SUCH A GIRL.
I MEAN, HE COOKS BETTER THAN ME.
ALL THESE THINGS.
AND HE TELLS ME, WELL, YOU'RE
SUCH A DUDE BECAUSE THE TYPE OF
WORK I DO, I WORK MAINLY WITH
MEN AND YEAH, I THINK I AM A
LITTLE THAT WAY.
IT WAS KIND OF A JOKE BETWEEN US
FOR YEARS.
HE WAS KIND OF THE GIRL AND I
WAS KIND OF THE DUDE.
>> LITTLE DID YOU KNOW.
>> LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT IS
ACTUALLY WHAT WAS GOING ON.
>> SO, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
ONCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE,
DID CINDY FOLLOW THROUGH ON HER
>>> SO, YOU PLAN A LIFE WITH
SOMEBODY FOR OVER TEN YEARS.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU FINALLY
TELL ME YOUR DEEP, DARK SECRET.
AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
DEVASTATED?
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
CONCERNED?
>> MY MENTAL HEALTH, MY
EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING THAT I KEPT
FOR 40 YEARS IS ALL ABOUT YOU.
>> STOP RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU HIJACK MY [ BLEEP ]
MENTAL HEALTH.
>> IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
DON'T YOU GET IT?
>> THAT WAS CINDY ANDLUCY, WHO E
AFTER TEN YEARS TOGETHER, THAT
LUCY WAS A TRANSGENDER WOMAN ON
THE SERIES "LOST IN TRANSITION"
WHICH IS AIRING ON TLC.
DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HAD
HURT HER?
DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT HAD
AFFECTED HER?
>> I DID.
ABSOLUTELY KNEW.
IT SEEMS TO BE AN INHERENT
WHAT'S BEING TRANSGENDER, WHEN
YOU FINALLY COME OUT, YOU WANT
TO ASSERT YOURSELF.
YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ABOUT
OTHER PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS.
YET, IT IS.
YOU FINALLY SPENT 50 YEARS OR
HOWEVER LONG, NOT SPEAKING ABOUT
IT.
AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE IT
ABOUT YOU.
AND SO, IT WAS SELFISH.
IT WAS RIDICULOUSLY SELFISH.
THAT'S THE THING ABOUT CINDY AND
I'S RELATIONSHIP, HOW WE CAN
BUILD THESE THINGS.
SHE CALLS ME ON STUFF LIKE THAT
AND PULLS ME OUT OF THE DELUSION
OF, YOU CAME OUT WITH SOMEBODY
IN THE RELATIONSHIP.
IT DOES AFFECT ME.
I'M GOING WITH YOU ON THIS.
>> SHE'S SAYING, I'M DOING THE
BEST I CAN.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU SAID, CINDY, I KNOW YOU
SAID, YOU FLUSHED OUR
RELATIONSHIP DOWN THE TOILET.
>> I DID SAY THAT.
>> YOU THOUGHT IT WAS OVER.
IS IT OVER?
>> NO.
IT'S NOT OVER.
>> WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND?
AW.
>> I GUESS THROUGH THE WHOLE
PROCESS AND IT IS, THEY CALL IT
A JOURNEY.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY A JOURNEY OF
REALLY DIGGING DEEP INTO YOUR
EMOTIONS, REMEMBERING WHAT IT
WAS THAT BROUGHT YOU TOGETHER
AND KEPT YOU TOGETHER.
AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS,
THAT LUCY IS TROY, TO ME.
THE PERSON DOESN'T CHANGE
INSIDE.
THEIR SOUL DOESN'T CHANGE
INSIDE.
THEY'RE STILL THE SAME PERSON.
AND EVERY DAY THAT WENT BY, AND
I GUARANTEE YOU, THERE WAS A LOT
OF YELLING AND SCREAMING AND
FIGHTING OVER THIS.
BUT WE GOT SOME THERAPY.
WE STARTED DOING OTHER THINGS.
WE DID SOME RESEARCH.
AND IT MADE ME, LITTLE BY
LITTLE, MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU LOVE
SOMEBODY, YOU WANT THEM TO BE
HAPPY, TOO.
IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT MY
HAPPINESS.
IT HAD TO BE ABOUT HIS
HAPPINESS, TOO.
LUCKILY THE RELATIONSHIP THAT
TROY AND I HAVE, WE WERE ABLE TO
REALLY SIT AND, LIKE, WE LOOKED
AT PICTURES OF HOW HE WOULD WANT
TO LOOK, AS A WOMAN.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE, HE MADE
ME AND HELPED ME BE A PART OF
THAT, WHICH MADE ME FEEL CLOSER
TO HIM AGAIN.
>> DID YOU WEIGH IN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> YOU LOOK LIKE A SLUT IN THAT.
>> YEAH, I DID.
>> THE SLUT WORD CAME UP A LOT.
>> IT DID?
>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
THAT.
>> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, LUCY?
WHY ARE YOU PRESENTING AS MALE
STILL?
ON THE SHOW, I KNOW WE SAW YOU
GO OUT TO A CLUB, PRESENTING AS
FEMALE.
AND YOU FELT UNCOMFORTABLE.
>> WELL, FOR ME, IT'S A LITTLE
MORE ABOUT GETTING CINDY AND I
TOGETHER ON IT.
AND PERFECTING A STYLE WHERE
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO SHOCKING
TO OTHERS.
>> YOU DID NOT LIKE THIS PICTURE
OF YOU.
THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER BY A
STYLIST.
YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
WHY?
>> I DEFINITELY PICKED THE WRONG
DRESS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE I'M FALLING
OVER.
>> YEAH.
>> IT LOOKED GOOD ON THE RACK.
>> WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE.
>> WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO SIT
HERE, PRESENTING MALE AND BEING
CALLED LUCY?
HOW IS THAT FOR YOU?
>> NOW, AND INTERESTINGLY
ENOUGH, THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE
BEFORE.
I WAS ASKED THAT A LOT.
NOW, IT'S GREAT.
IT COMES DOWN TO -- THE PROCESS
WAS, IT'S A TRANSGENDER PROCESS
OF I'M COMFORTABLE IN MY SKIN
REGARDLESS OF WHAT I'M WEARING.
I WOULD PREFER TO PRESENT AS
LUCY.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I CAN'T
CHANGE WHO'S ME.
>> YOU'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT LUCY
LOOKS LIKE.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE RESTAURANT,
DO YOU SAY, HI, I'M LUCY?
>> NOT YET.
>> THAT WILL LEAD TO A
CONVERSATION YOU MIGHT NOT WANT
TO HAVE.
>> AND THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
IF I'M IN PUBLIC, I'M PRESENTING
AS LUCY AND SOMEONE SAYS TROY,
IT CREATING AN EMOTIONAL
RESPONSE OUT OF OTHERS THAT
COULD BE DETRIMENTAL.
>> WE'RE GETTING THERE.
I THINK AS A SOCIETY, WE'RE
GETTING THERE.
>> YEAH, WE ARE.
THANKS TO SHOWS LIKE THIS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR BEING
HERE AND TELLING YOUR STORY.
[ APPLAUSE ]