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>> Hello, everyone.
Welcome to theCUBE here live in Detroit
for KubeCon + CloudNativeCon 2022.
I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE.
This is our seventh consecutive KubeCon + CloudNativeCon.
Since inception, theCube's been there every year.
And of course, theCUBE continues to grow.
So does the community as well as our host roster.
I'm here with my co-host, Lisa Martin.
Lisa, great to see you.
And our new theCube host, Savannah Peterson.
Savannah, welcome to theCUBE.
>> Thanks, John.
>> Welcome. >> Welcome to the team.
>> Thanks, team.
It's so wonderful to be here.
I met you all last KubeCon
and to be sitting on this stage
in your company is honestly an honor.
>> Well, great to have you.
Lisa and I have done a lot of shows together
and it's great to have more cadence around.
You know, more fluid around the content,
and also the people.
And I would like you to take a minute
to tell people your background.
You know the community here.
What's the roots?
You know the Cloud Native world pretty well.
>> I know it as well as someone my age can.
As we know, the tools and the tech is always changing.
So hello, everyone.
I'm Savannah Peterson.
You can find me on the internet @SavIsSavvy.
Would love to hear from you during the show.
Big fan of this space and very passionate about DevOps.
I've been working in the Silicon Valley
and the Silicon Alley for a long time,
helping companies scale internationally
as a community builder
as well as a international public speaker.
And honestly, this is just such a fun evolution
for my career and I'm grateful to be here with you both.
>> We're looking forward to having you on theCUBE.
Appreciate it.
Lisa?
>> Yes. >> KubeCon.
Amazing again this year.
Just keeps growing bigger and bigger.
>> Yes.
>> Keynote review, you were in there.
>> Yup.
>> I had a chance to peek in a little bit,
but you were there and got most of the news.
What was the action?
>> You know, the action was really a big focus
around the maintainers,
what they're doing,
giving them the props and the kudos
and the support that they deserve.
Not just physically, but mentally as well.
That was a really big focus.
It was also a big focus on mentoring and really encouraging
more people- >> Love that.
>> I did, too.
I thought that was fantastic to get involved to help others.
And then they showed some folks that had great experiences,
really kind of growing up within the community.
Probably half of the keynote focus this morning was on that.
And then looking at some of the other projects
that have graduated from CNCF,
some of these successful projects,
what they're doing,
what folks are doing.
Cruise, one of the ones that was featured.
You've probably seen their driverless cars
around San Francisco.
So it was great to see that,
the successes that they've had and where that's going.
>> Yeah. Lisa, we've done how many shows?
Hundreds of shows together.
When you see a show like this grow and continue to mature,
what's your observation?
You've seen many shows we've hosted together.
What jumps out this year?
Is it just that level of maturization?
What's your take on this?
>> The maturization of the community
and the collaboration of the community.
I think those two things jumped out at me
even more than last year.
Last year, obviously a little bit smaller event
in North America.
It was Los Angeles.
This year you got a much stronger sense of the community,
the support that they have for each other.
There were a lot of standing ovations
particularly when the community came out
and talked about what they were doing in Ukraine
to support fellow community members in Ukraine
and also to support other Ukrainians
in terms of getting in to tech.
Lot of standing ovations.
Lot of-
>> Savannah: Love that, yeah.
>> Real authenticity around the community.
>> Yeah, Savannah, we talked on our intro prior to the event
about how inclusive this community is.
They are really all in on inclusivity.
And the Ukraine highlight,
this community is together and they're open.
They're open to everybody.
>> Absolutely. >> And they're also focused
on growing the educational knowledge.
>> Yeah, I think there's a real celebration of curiosity
within this community that we don't find
in certain other sectors.
And we saw it at dinner last night.
I mean, I was struck just like you Lisa walking in today.
The energy in that room is palpably different
from last year.
I saw on Twitter this morning,
people are very excited.
Many people, their first KubeCon.
And I'm sure we're going to be feeding off of that,
that kind of energy and that...
Just a general enthusiasm and excitement
to be here in Detroit all week.
It's a treat.
>> Yeah, I even saw Stu Miniman earlier,
former theCube host.
He's at Red Hat.
We were talking on the way in and he made an observation
I thought was interesting I'll bring up because this show,
it's a lot "What is this show? What isn't this show?"
And I think this show is about developers.
What it isn't is not a business show.
It's not about business.
It's not about industry kind of posturing or marketing.
All the heavy hitters on the dev side are here
and you don't see the big execs.
I mean, you got the CEOs of startups here
but not the CEOs of the big public companies.
We see the doers.
So, I mean, I think my take is this show's about
creating products for builders
and creating products that people can consume.
And I think that is the Cloud Native lanes
that are starting to form.
You're either creating something for builders
to build stuff with
or you're creating stuff that could be consumed.
And that seems for applications.
So the whole app side and services seem to be huge.
>> They also did a great job this morning
of showcasing some of the big companies
that we all know and love.
Spotify.
Obviously, I don't think a day goes by
where I don't turn on Spotify.
And what it's done- >> Me neither.
>> What it's done for the community...
Same with Intuit,
I'm a user of both.
Intuit was given an End User Award this morning
during the keynote for their contributions,
what they're doing.
But it was nice to see some just everyday companies,
Cloud Native companies that we all know and love,
and to understand their contributions to the community
and how those contributions are affecting all of us
as end users.
>> Yeah, and I think those companies like Intuit...
Argo's been popular,
Arlo now new,
seeing those services,
and even enterprises are contributing.
You know, Lyft is always here,
popular with Envoy.
The community isn't just vendors
and that's the interesting thing.
>> I think that's why it works.
To me, this event is really about the celebration
of developer relations.
I mean, every DevRel
from every single one of these companies is here.
Like you said, in lieu of the executive,
that's essentially who we're attracting.
And if you look out over the show floor here,
I mean, we've probably got,
I don't know, three to four extra vendors
that we had last year.
It totally is a different tone.
This community doesn't like to be sold to.
This community likes to be collaborative.
They like to learn and they like to help.
And I think we see that within the ecosystem
inside the room today.
>> It's not a top down sales pitch.
It's really consensus. >> No.
>> Do it out in the open transparency.
Don't sell me stuff.
And I think the other thing
I like about this community is that
we're starting to see that...
And then we've said this in theCube before.
We'll say it again.
Maybe be more controversial.
Digital transformation is about the developer, right?
And I think the power is going to shift
in every company to the developer
because if you take digital transformation to completion,
everything happens the way it's happening,
the company is the application.
It's not IT who serves the organization-
>> I love thinking about it like that.
That's a great point, John.
>> The old phase was IT was a department
that served the business.
Well, the business is IT now.
So that means developer community is going to grow like crazy
and they're going to be in the front lines
driving all the change.
In my opinion, you going to see this developer community
grow like crazy and then the business side
on industry will match up with that.
I think that's what's going to happen.
>> So, the developers are becoming the influencers?
>> Developers are the power source for all companies.
They're in charge.
They're going to dictate terms to how businesses will run
because that's going to be natural
'cause digital transformation's about the app
and the business is the app.
So that mean it has to be coded.
So I think you're going to see a lot of innovation
around app server-like experiences
where the the apps are just being developed faster
than the infrastructures enabling that completely invisible.
And I think you're going to see
this kind of architecture-less,
I'll put it out there that term architecture-less,
environment where you don't need an architecture.
It's just you code away.
>> Yeah, yeah.
We saw GitHub's mentioned in the keynote this morning.
And I mean, low code, no code.
I think your fingers right on the pulse there.
>> Yeah. What did you guys see?
Anything else you see?
>> I think just the overall...
To your point, Savannah, the energy.
Definitely higher than last year.
When I saw those standing ovations,
people really come in together around the sense of community
and what they've accomplished
especially in the last two plus years of being remote.
They did a great job of involving a lot of folks,
some of whom are going to be on the program with us this week
that did remote parts of the keynote.
One of our guests on today
from Vitess was talking about the successes
and the graduation of their program
so that the sense of community,
but also not just the sense of it,
the actual demonstration of it
was also quite palpable this morning,
and I think that's something that I'm excited
for us to hear about with our guests
on the program this week.
>> Yeah, and I think the big story coming out so far
as the show starts is the developers are in charge.
They're going to set the pace for all the ops,
data ops, security ops, all operations.
And then the co-located events
that were held Monday and Tuesday prior to kickoff today.
You saw WebAssembly's come out of the woodwork
as it got a lot of attention.
Two startups got funded heavily on Series A.
You're starting to see that project really work well.
That's going to be an additional to the container market.
So, interesting to see how Docker reacts to that.
Red Hat's doing great.
ServiceMeshCon was phenomenal.
I saw Solo.iOS got massive traction with those guys.
So like Service Mesh, WebAssembly,
you can start to see the dots connecting.
You're starting to see this layer below Kubernetes
and then a layer above Kubernetes developing.
So I think it's going to be great for applications
and great for the infrastructure.
I think we'll see how it comes out
and all these companies we have
on here are all about faster, more integrated,
some very, very interesting to see.
So far, so good.
>> You guys talked about in your highlight session
last week or so.
Excited to hear about the end users,
the customer stories.
That's what I'm interested in understanding as well.
It's why it resonates with me
when I see brands that I recognize.
Well, I use it every day.
How are they using containers and Kubernetes?
How are they actually not just using it
to deploy their app, their technologies,
that we all expect are going to be up 24/7,
but how are they also contributing to the development of it?
So I'm really excited to hear those end users.
>> We're going to have Lockheed Martin.
And we wrote a story on SiliconANGLE,
the Red Hat, Lockheed Martin,
real innovation on the edge.
You're starting to see educate with the edge.
It's really the industrial edge coming to be big.
It'd be very interesting to see.
>> Absolutely, we got Ford Motor Company coming on as well.
I always loved stories, Savannah,
that are history of companies.
Ford's been around since 1903.
How is a company that-
>> Well, we're in the home of Ford-
as well here. >> We are.
How they evolved digitally?
What are they doing to enable the developers
to be those influencers that John says?
It's going to be them.
>> They're a great example of a company
that's always been on the forefront, too.
I mean, they had a head of VRs 25 years ago
when most people didn't even know
what VR was going to stand for.
So, I can't wait for that one.
You tease the Docker interview coming up very well, John.
I'm excited for that one.
One last thing I want to bring up
that I think is really refreshing
and it's reflected right here on this stage
is you talked about the inclusion.
I think there's a real commitment to diversity here.
You can see the diversity stats on CNCF's website.
It's right there on KubeCon.
At the bottom, there's a link in every email I've gotten
highlighting that.
We've got two women on this stage all week
which is very exciting.
And the opening keynote was a woman.
So quite frankly, I am happy as a female in this industry
to see a bit more representation.
And I do appreciate just on the note of being inclusive,
it's not just about gender or age,
it's also about the way
that CNCF thinks about your experience
since we're in this kind of pandemic transitional period.
They've got little pins.
Last year, we had bracelets
depending on your level of comfort.
Equivocally like a stoplight which is...
I just think it's really nice and sensitive
and that attention to detail makes people feel comfortable.
Which is why we have the community energy that we have.
>> Yeah, and being 12 years in the business...
With theCUBE, we've been 12 years in the business,
seven years with KubeCon and Cloud Native,
I really appreciate the Linux Foundation
including me as I get older.
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>> Savannah: That's a good point.
>> Ageism were, "Hey!"
Thank you.
>> There was a lot of representation.
You talked about females and so often we go to shows
and there's very few females.
Some companies are excellent at it.
But from an optics perspective, to me it stands out.
There was great representation across.
There was disabled people on stage,
people of color, women, men of all ages.
It was very well-orchestrated.
>> On the demographic- >> And sincere.
>> Yeah, yeah. >> And the demographics, too.
On the age side, it's lower too.
You're starting to see younger...
I mean, high school, college representation.
I saw a lot of college students last night.
I saw on the agenda sessions targeting universities.
I mean, I'm telling you this is reaching down.
Open source now is so great.
It's growing so fast.
It's continuing to thunder away.
And with success, it's just getting better and better.
In fact, we were talking last night about
at some point we might not have to write code.
Just glue it together.
And that's why I think the supply chain
and security thing is an issue.
But this is why it's so great.
Anyone can code
and I think there's a lot of learning to have.
So, I think we'll continue to do our job
to extract the signal from the noise.
So, thanks for the kickoff.
Good commentary.
Thank you.
All right. >> Of course.
>> Let's get started.
Day one of three days of live coverage here
at KubeCon + CloudNativeCon.
I'm John Furrier with Lisa Martin, and Savannah Peterson.
Be back with more coverage starting right now.
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