[ APPLAUSE ] GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IM MEGYN KELLY.
SHOULD THE WOMAN BE PAID THE
SAME AS A MAN FOR DOING THE SAME
JOB?
THATS THE QUESTION OF THE
MORNING.
AND THE ANSWER IS, IT DEPENDS.
HOW LONG HAVE THE TWO OF THEM
BEEN THERE?
HOW STRONG ARE THE RESUMES AND EXPERIENCE ARE THE RESUMES AND
EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCES?
EXPERIENCES?
HOW WELL DO THEY DO RESPECTIVE JOBS?ELL DO THEY DO RESPECTIVE
JOBS?
ALL THESE THINGS TYPICALLY GO INTO THE FINAL SALARY, WHICH IS
WHY ITS GENERALLY MEANINGLESS
TO CAMPAIGN JUST BOTTOM LINE NUMBERS, IN SEARCH OF CLAIMS OF
GENDER BIAS.
GENDER BIAS. UNLESS THE NUMBERS ARE SO
DIFFERENT, ANYONE COULD SEE THEY
ARE UNFAIR AND POSSIBLE
UNLANDFALL.
UNLANDFALL.
ENTER MICHELLE WILLIAMS AND MARK
WAHLBERG, IN THE FILM "ALL THE
MONEY IN THE WORLD" THAT
REPORTEDLY WENT TO WAHLBERG.
HE WAS PAID 1.5 MILLION BUCKS
FOR A LAST-MINUTE RESHOOT OF THAT MOVIE, RIGHT BEFORET OF
THAT MOVIE, RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
CHRISTMAS.
MICHELLE WILLIAMS, HIS CO-STAR, RECEIVED JUST UNDER $1,000.TAR,
RECEIVED JUST UNDER $1,000. JUST UNDER $1,000.
JOE FRYER IS HERE WITH THIS
STORY.
STORY.
JOE?
>> Reporter: LAST YEAR, "FORBES"
NAMED MARK WAHLBERG HOLLYWOODS HIGHEST PAID ACTOR. HOLLYWOODS
HIGHEST PAID ACTOR. ITS THAT ONE PAYCHECK THAT IS
GETTING THE ATTENTION AS
HOLLYWOOD ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF
GENDER INEQUALITY.
GENDER INEQUALITY. THE FILM "ALL THE MONEY IN THE
WORLD" TAKING ON A NEW MEANING
THIS MORNING.
THIS MORNING. NEW CLAIMS ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT
PAY GAP BETWEEN TWO OF ITS
STARS.
STARS.
OVERNIGHT "USA TODAY" REPORTING THAT MARK WAHLBERG EARNED $1.5G
THAT MARK WAHLBERG EARNED $1.5 MILLION FOR RESHOOTING HIS
SCENES IN THE MOVIE, WHILE HIS
CO-STAR, MICHELLE WILLIAMS,
RECEIVED LESS THAN $1,000 FOR
HER DO OVERS.
THE $10 MILLION RESHOOT NECESSARY AFTER KEVIN SPACEY WAS
DROPPED FROM THE MOVIE AND
REPLACED WITH CHRISTOPHER
PLUMMER.
PLUMMER.
LAST MONTH, RIDLEY SCOTT TOLD
"USA TODAY" EVERYONE DID IT FOR NOTHING.AY" EVERYONE DID IT FOR
NOTHING.
BUT ACCORDING TO THE PAPER,
WAHLBERGS TEAM, WHICH ALSO REPRESENTS WILLIAMS, NEGOTIATED
THE HEFTY FEE.
WHILE WILLIAMS AGREED TO RESHOOT
HER SCENES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF
HER CO-STARS PAY.
>> FOR ME, IT WAS AN INSTANT
YES.
YES.
I WAS SO RELIEVED. I HAD BEEN HEART SICK FOR WEEKS
THINKING THAT HOW THIS THING WE
LOVED MAKING WAS GOING TO BE ALL
FOR NOT.
FOR NOT.
>> Reporter: OVERNIGHT, OUTRAGE ONLINE.rter: OVERNIGHT, OUTRAGE
ONLINE.
FANS AND CELEBRITIESY SIES RALLY AROUND WILLIAMS, INCLUDING RALLY
AROUND WILLIAMS, INCLUDING JESSICA CHASTAIN WHO SAID, SHE
IS A BRILLIANT WINNING ACTRESS.
SHE DESERVES MORE THAN 1% OF HER
MALE CO-STARS SALARY.
THE NEWS COMING DAYS AFTER THE
GOLDEN GLOBES, WHERE MALE AND
FEMALE STARS SAID TIMES UP ON
GENDER INEQUALITY.
GENDER INEQUALITY. >> ITS ABOUT POWER.
>> BUSINESS.
>> BUSINESS. >> FAMILY.
>> FAMILY. >> TELL THEM IM COMING.
>> Reporter: NBC NEWS HAS
REACHED OUT TO WILLIAMS,
WAHLBERG AND SCOTT FOR COMMENT.
BUT SO FAR, WE HAVE NOT HEARD
BACK.
BACK.
>> JOE, UNBELIEVABLE.
WERE GOING TO GET TO THIS MORE
IN A MOMENT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT JAMES FRANCO.TO ASK YOU ABOUT JAMES
FRANCO.
HES GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE, TOO, WEARING THE TIMES UP PIN.TOO,
WEARING THE TIMES UP PIN. SOME SAID IT WAS LIKE DANGLING
THE RED CAPE IN FRONT OF THE
BULL.
BULL.
HE HAS AN ALLEGED HISTORY WHEN
IT COMES TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT
THATS COME BACK TO BITE HIM. >> Reporter: JAMES FRANCOIM.
>> Reporter: JAMES FRANCO APPEARED LAST NIGHT ON "THE LATE
SHOW" WITH STEPHEN COLBERT AND
DENIED SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
HE WON A GOLDEN GLOBE FOR HIS
PERFORMANCE IN "THE DISASTER
ARTIST."
ARTIST."
BUT HE WAS CRITICIZED FOR
WEARING A TIMES UP PIN, BY A
COUPLE OF ACTRESSES, INCLUDING ALLY SHEEDY, WHO PUT UP VAGUEG
ALLY SHEEDY, WHO PUT UP VAGUE TWEETS.
TWEETS. JAMES FRANCO JUST WON.
NEVER ASK ME WHY I LEFT THE
FILM/TV BUSINESS.
FILM/TV BUSINESS. FRANCO RESPONDED LAST NIGHT.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO IDEA
WHAT I DID TO ALLY SHEEDY.
I DIRECTED HER IN A PLAY
OFFBROAD DI.
OFFBROAD DI. I
I
I HAD NOTHING BUT A GREAT TIME
FOR HER, TOTAL RESPECT FOR HER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY SHE WAS HER.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY SHE WAS UPSET.
UPSET.
SHE TOOK THE TWEET DOWN. I DONT KNOW. TWEET DOWN.
I DONT KNOW.
>> Reporter: ON SUNDAY, ANOTHER ACTRESS ALSO ACCUSED FRANCO OFR
ACTRESS ALSO ACCUSED FRANCO OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. FRANCO SAYS THE THINGS HE HAS
HEARD ON TWITTER ARE NOT
ACCURATE.
ACCURATE.
BUT HE SUPPORTS PEOPLE SPEAKING UP AND HAVING A VOICE. SPEAKING
UP AND HAVING A VOICE. >> JOE, THANK YOU.
>>> DANNY SAVALAS JOINS ME NOW.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> LETS TALK ABOUT MICHELLE
WILLIAMS AND MARK WAHLBERG.
INEQUAL PAY, UNEQUAL PAY CAN BE
ILLEGAL
ILLEGAL ILLEGAL, UNLAWFUL.
ILLEGAL, UNLAWFUL. HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT IF THAT
HAPPENED HERE.
HAPPENED HERE. >> THERES SEVERAL LAWS THAT
APPLY.
APPLY.
CALIFORNIA HAS A STATE LAW, YOU HAVE FEDERAL LAW AND TITLE VIIU
HAVE FEDERAL LAW AND TITLE VII AND THE EQUAL PAY ACT.
IN CALIFORNIA, THEY HAVE A STRICTER EQUAL PAY ACT.E A
STRICTER EQUAL PAY ACT. NO LONGER CAN EMPLOYERS DEFEND
ON THE IDEAL THAT THIS JOB IS
NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER JOB.
AS LONG AS THEY ARE
SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR JOBS, THE
LAW APPLIES.
LAW APPLIES. THATS THE CHALLENGE IN
HOLLYWOOD.
HOLLYWOOD. NO JOB IS THE SAME IN HOLLYWOOD.
IF YOURE A BATTLE CAPPER AT THE
BREWERY, THATS SOMETHING THAT
YOU CAN SAY, I WORK THIS MANY
HOURS AND I SHOULD BE PAID THIS.
PEOPLE IN ENTERTAINMENT, YOU CAN
MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT NO TWO
JOBS ARE EXACTLY ALIKE.
AND THATS THE CHALLENGE WITH
THE LAW.
THE LAW.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS IN MEDIA,
I GET THAT.
WHEN I FIRST BECAME A NEWS ANCHOR, I WAS SEATED BESIDE BILL
HEMMER WHO WAS AT CNN AND WAS AT
FOX NEWS AND IS STILL THERE.
I WAS NOT GETTING PAID WHAT HE
WAS GETTING PAID.
HE HAD BEEN AN ANCHOR A LOT
LONGER THAN I HAD.
HIS WAS A BIGGER NAME.
I WAS WORKING MY WAY UP.
WE WERE CO-ANCHORING THE SAME
SHOW, I DID NOT EXPECT TO BE
GETTING PAID.
GETTING PAID. THAT DIDNT SEEM LIKE GENDER
BIAS OR UNEQUAL PAY.
THIS SITUATION OVER HERE IS
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT.
IN NO WORLD ARE HIS SERVICES
WORTH 1.5 MILLION OVER THOSE DAYS AND HERS WORTH 1,000.SE
DAYS AND HERS WORTH 1,000. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEYRE
REPRESENTED BY THE SAME AGENCY.
IF MICHELLE WILLIAMS CALLS YOU
UP TOMORROW, WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> HERES WHAT YOU SAY.
THE NUMBER ONE PERSON YOU NEED
TO TALK TO IS YOUR AGENT.
HOLLYWOOD WORKS IN A FREE
MARKET.
MARKET.
AT SOME POINT, ANY ACTOR MAKES AN AGREEMENT TO TAKE A JOB FOR A
PARTICULAR DOLLAR AMOUNT.
>> BUT SHES BEING TOLD THAT
EVERYONE IS DOING IT FOR FREE.
>> THATS MISLEADING.
THE STRANGE THING IS MOST OF THE
TIME THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE DONE
IN PRIVATE.
IN PRIVATE.
NOBODY KNOWS. ITS A DIFFERENT THING IF YOU
WERE INDUCED TO TAKE A JOB FOR A
LESSER AMOUNT BECAUSE YOU WERE
ASSURED, AND I DONT KNOW BY
WHOM, THAT EVERYONE IS GETTING
EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
THEREFORE, YOU SHOULD GO ALONG.
AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THATS WHAT
HAPPENED HERE.
HAPPENED HERE. THATS DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN
EVERYONE GETTING IN A JOB AND
KEEPING THE NEGOTIATION PRIVATE.
>> SOMETIMES YOU GOT THIS AGENT
REPRESENTING THIS PERSON AND
THIS AGENT REPRESENTING THAT
PERSON AND ITS NOT NECESSARILY
THE CASE THEY TALK.
JUST BECAUSE THEYRE AT THE SAME
BIG AGENCY, ITS NOT NECESSARILY
TRUE THAT THE AGENCY UNDERSTOOD
HE WAS GETTING 1.5 AND SHE WAS
GETTING 1,000.
GETTING 1,000. WELL FIND OUT IN THE DAYS TO
COME.
COME.
IF THEY DID, THERE WILL BE
QUESTIONS WHY THEY DIDNT LOBBY HARDER OR PUSH HARDER.NT LOBBY
HARDER OR PUSH HARDER. IF THEY WERENT AT LIBERTY TO GO
BACK AND SAY HE WAS GETTING PAID
MORE, THEY AT A CHANCE TO SAY
WHY DONT WE PUSH A LITTLE BIT.
>> MORE TO SCALE.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT JAMES
FRANCO.
FRANCO. HES OUT THERE SAYING, I ONLY
HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH
THESE PEOPLE.
THESE PEOPLE. WHAT WERE SEEING WITH THE
ACCUSERS, ONE LIGHTS THE FIRE
AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE COME.
IF YOU WERE IN POSITION OFFED A
ADVISEING A MAN IN A POTENTIAL
#METOO SITUATION, LIKE JAMES
FRANCO, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
WOULD YOU TELL HIM TO BE OUT
THERE OWNING IT?
IN HIS CASE, WE KNEW HE HAD A
HISTORY OF ALLEGEDLY SEXTING OR
INAPPROPRIATE TEXTS WITH A
17-YEAR-OLD.
17-YEAR-OLD.
>> IF YOURE GOING TO ADVISE SOMEBODY, AND THEY HAVE SOME
HISTORY, AND IT ISNT YET KNOWN.
JUST LIKE YOU SAID, JAMES
FRANCO, THERE WERE TILTER ERTITE
THIS BEHAVIOR IN ADVANCE.
I WOULD ADVISE MACHINESOMEONE YO
TAKING A GAMBLE IF YOU GO ON A TV SHOW AND TALK ABOUT -- AT A
TV SHOW AND TALK ABOUT -- AT LEAST REPRESENT OR SPEAK WITH A
BADGE THAT YOU SUPPORT THESE
WOMENS ISSUES WHEN YOU ARE SO
SUSCEPTIBLE TO ATTACK.
BUT THEN, AT THE SAME TIME, WE
HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE
ARE SUCH THINGS AS FALSE
ACCUSATIONS.
ACCUSATIONS. THATS CERTAINLY JAMES FRANCOS
POSITION HERE.
POSITION HERE.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. NOT 100% OF ALLEGATIONS ARED.
NOT 100% OF ALLEGATIONS ARE ALWAYS TRUE.
ALWAYS TRUE. WE HAVE TO MAKE A CREDIBILITY
DETERMINATION.
DETERMINATION.
>> WE DID A STORY THE OTHER DAY OF A YOUNG MAN WHO LOST HIS DAY
OF A YOUNG MAN WHO LOST HIS FUTURE.
FUTURE.
HE WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE
WHEN HE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL
SENIOR.
HE WENT TO JAIL FOR FIVE YEARS
AND IT WAS ALL A LIE.
SHE HAD MADE THE WHOLE THING UP. IT IS NOT THE CASE THAT EVERYUP.
IT IS NOT THE CASE THAT EVERY WOMAN TELLS THE TRUTH.
BUT I WOULD SUBMIT IT IS THE
CASE WHEN YOU HAVE WOMAN AFTER
WOMAN AFTER WOMAN AFTER WOMAN
COMING FORWARD WITH RESPECT TO