what what everybody millions spent have assisted on
interesting colossal mustache and we can do here on the shelf
odd plan unfettered so cats zero dark third unexpected and all kathryn bigelow
swallow up
yes sir dot very is basically the story about the hunt for and then uh...
assassination of of some of them are private or
jerseys looking to do it as mary dot on what happens is the account
uh... anyway uh... unites directed by uh...
and in lower and written by margaret all my love all star
uh... the team who had worked upon uh... her daughter and swiss watch the trailer
dragging on the screen
money from
who can help you
bridges
questions really impress them with the fact that this is a an enormous
story
and meet me comprehensive an accessible and yet like
clearly cared about having to sit here mister like it's it's not
overwhelming it's not
confusing it's actually an
cabbage independent choice and make this story the star so
there are always characters in it who are basically functionaries of a plot
like
uh... you know we follow uh... just suggest things character throughout the
whole film but we don't want nothing about not uploaded books but i was
getting habitat
it was a nightmare is that there is nothing budget rupture she has a
learning for her life around the actual person but now with that
the movie is more interested in light getting us from twenty to twenty two
twenty two c
and and and uh... you know i i think on that level it's it's really interesting
i found the whole sort of
nitty-gritty of what goes into
eighty-five global manhunt really interesting is you'll straight bits of
evidence and somebody says this and he was meeting with that kind of internet
and how they probably together is i've found that really interesting
i thought it much more interesting than the
subsequent raid part of the film which surprised me the big ones so good with
action i thought that was thrilling away and i i mean i agree with you i thought
that i was better than the rate but i'd still love the radar love them both
well regionally intended for the middle of the last thirty min yesterday that
the whole thing is that is a procedure on the critical and that that that the
candidates out there soon
k c-reactive is actually seeing the apartment and added to the fact that
you spent two hours and moving
leading up to that
getting to the point where like ok now now this is the endgame i think that
that really
helps build attention i think it'd be anything short of that
actually would've made that request accidents ranges from me i felt like
that there was not
it certainly is a wasn't suspenseful for movie where we all know the editing but
i think about argo or link in the republican retained
even though we know how that's going to come out with the waiters who had a
generate some level of with another way and what have you know that i think this
will be attentive well-liked by the time they got to the raid
there was no newspaper for really kind of sense of uh... attention was like
okay with him hanging out now are getting all the details the end of the
few expressed how they really know and i didn't learn things idolize at
helicopter crash i didn't like
had delivered revelation but i decided i didn't find it
did say this is a personal thing i said i want to look like the rule of the
parts of the uploaded exactly achieved and then i think in irish and i thought
every moment was like i can't believe i know that this works and another
helicopter crashes
and i know we don't have a great deal
and still ahead
c_n_n_'s harm um...
so should talk about some with the controls of the for you and i i do want
to call at eight o'clock and we saw in the morning cast was he was also a
molluscs also of
he's going back to work this year
i think we're gonna see really big things that have
going forward me here at the beginning of the accident controversy because he
is the leader porter
uh... she was a regular gelatinous mass is an attorney mark stronger
military strategy
seat
anything ok came when they showed that when people talk about what would you
know some disconcerting all these things these uske popping avoid well u
which he democratic i've always thought i'd like to find a game of like how many
will insist on their own a gun and to obliterated and many others that sort of
thing
there's a lot of north on so but jason clark is the lead interrogator any
tortures the suspect at the beginning this is not long after our creation of
afghanistan we
that were torturing this guy
waterboarding in much more beating him
i've actually putting them in a tiny
coffin essentially
close enough
and the issue is is that at some point in that tortured later when we're being
nice to him
he reveals a key piece of uh...
uh... information that leads to ritually
carrying that live
eight years one right anyways and there's another character who gives up
information who's been older man
who specifically says out it would be tortured yes it has been a lot of
discussion and didn't debate have from critics and from glenn greenwald who
wrote about this before he'd seen the film but even then back to the batteries
in the bill is that
does the movie suggest that we got ke actionable intelligence
uh... from torture that others have said they've seen it and it doesn't and i
think it's very clearly
in between
one thing that they'd and marple kathryn bigelow pope say
that they did not want in any way suggested torture
webbed actionable intelligence
three people were water-borne knew about this career
two of them
well including khalid sheik mohammed
mention the currier ever despite being tortured and tortured and torturing
torture
but it's complicated
com i didn't leave this movie
feeling like
this was a pro
torture blanket alternative that i decided well i don't know what i felt
like there is the implication there that
yes were waterboarding yielded there's nothing on the info
and everything that i had been hearing on the news about uh... you know about
active journalist but
the report that i've been hearing later when people were talking more about
reveal what the bush regime at okayed was that we didn't get anything out of
water pouring all valuable intel we got regarding the martin came out of the
standard interrogate him off
the makers deny that there that they meant to do that and i kind of take them
at their word because the movie is
it is so so so good
not dispassionate but it's very clinical basically go ahead and they did a great
day it's very kind of matter of fact in here this happens happen this happened
i think part of a problem with that when you make that when you
do that kind of storytelling is that it's easy then for people to read into
what you really meant
and i think people are going to read in the warehouse i heard that they weren't
so i i'm with you i think it's somewhere in the middle rare maybe they're guilty
maybe they're not that it did something to think that would look at what the
results are now the server i think there is a really critically obligation in
really critical obligation around
this immediate when people make a movie a real that they're not under an
obligation tell the story exactly correct your
but we're having a really serious debate in this country about whether it's ok
for united states of america
to go ahead and torture and i think when you misrepresented
intentionally or not is totally fared well call you up to your point you know
ability state like she one of the boots on the ground types story and they do
you know at one point talk about how theirs as they get closer and closer to
the hubble are bad character and there's a uh...
they say something about you know we had dossiers winning information that came
from i think morocco behavior or wherever that that no one it after the
initial attacks nobody had really by ten sifted through all that and some stuff
that they were trying to get from interrogation
wasn't necessarily as relevant as information they may have already
so i think that darden the one hand and said
treasury maybe toward doesn't work but
the flip side of that but this is where i think it gets a little problematic
you know we know from some the news reports that people
in the u_s_ that people
you know in the c_i_a_ people in the military did protest
didn't raised you know go up the flagpole saying
what we're doing to these prisoners is not brycen none of that's covered in the
group no none of those none of that and then there is only the only thing that
you could make a strong argument that if you will vote on the ground here not
covering
that aspect of it
at all uh... is everyone's lives interrogator every professional carrier
just orchard
doesn't work but of course that doesn't mean you're never gonna get a piece of
information out of torture
that might be useful they just saying overall
it's the wrong approach to take to get less information
the guidance tortured at one point in the movie has information about upcoming
attack in saudi arabia that killed a lot of people and he says in the movie
past wins the attack wednesday attacking he says
monday these clients injury she realized
well this is not help because hey here's roger literally do anything that is that
if i told her i think that it works and i think the reason the people get upset
about
films taking liberties like this or having an agenda like this is that
more often than not this is what we have a history that's right this is how could
i get out how these errors were down as the movie versions and if she's not
satin judging is that same torture works
he saying this is what happened
and inches
katina johnstone basically kind of making a part of this complete breakfast
you know pick out something out of that organization that
made to the rest of the people will see that they may see that i don't think
it's a big take away from the movie i think they may see that i think
well yeah i was a lot of it things were going for an entire the entire massively
application processor must not be actually did you not only brother dennis
damage will be no that could steal the story if you're leaving
certainly not only focusing on other obviously interacting
demanded that torture was in two thousand two two thousand reinvent
uh... and you know we got the blog two thousand
some stick that might all right so what numbers on it that we should let you
know
rights of night was a speaks in the nineties on the train here right now
the first lady to review started really call out that this movie you know what
we're saying that this movie is the moral because it puts across this idea
that's torture is is really kind of
and some of the positive reviews now will come from
right wingers or i'd be exactly packers at a time she was only doing my actually
you know originally was thinking that this was going to be really well at the
oscars and i can see there being a whisper campaign against it
specifically for that matter right now that as i said oh yeah i could see a
backlash a when we had in mind that i don't think i think we can see here so
we can win
and so i don't think he does what the what the concern is i i i think we ought
to tweak sort of great value one of the movie i went in thinking that's one of
the things
and i went out thinking
well they may complicate
it was a little more clear
i don't think that they could not torture is awesome that's what we're
going to have a uh... it was one of the things i thought about and i and i think
they did it because it was a complicated doesn't lead to the clear yes it is no
it isn't
can be even more sort of like
bullet which is a little i thought of none of that i didn't think of any of
that controversy tortured reading about it the week later i i actually really
like the movie came out i think it got him that's a hell of a regulation when
free
they get breakpoint us up with work
eight point eight
uh... would have been attending for my sly qualms about i've talked to people
in the united states of america
well so that's an eight point for a significant of reserve three