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- Hi folks, Brad Heineck, physical therapist.
And here we have Chris,
the pharmacist. - Hey guys.
- Today we are going to talk about apple cider vinegar,
use for leg cramps and more.
This is a very interesting video
if you have leg cramps, particularly,
and if you want to find a nice way to get rid of 'em.
We'll get into detail on that.
But before we go any farther,
Bob's not here today, obviously.
So we're very happy to have Chris joining us.
He's very knowledgeable and did a lot of research on this.
So we got some anecdotal evidence and some great research.
- Yep.
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- Learn about cramps and how to get rid of 'em.
So we're gonna talk about apple cider vinegar.
We've done this before.
But this is kind of interesting because Chris has cramps.
I have, everyone, most everyone has cramps.
- Everyone has cramps. - Everyone has cramps.
It seems like leg cramps are more prevalent overall.
We don't have any research on that, but as a therapist,
I worked with a lot of people and tried to help them
with how to get rid of their cramps with stretching.
And it's always.
I can't think of a time where it wasn't leg cramps.
Hamstrings, quads, or calves.
- It always seems to be below the waist.
But I mean, if you think about it, we walk, we stand.
I mean, we're creatures that move all around.
- Right, right.
- So I think it stands to reason,
at least from a logical standpoint,
that I think it's just day to day activity that can lead,
you know, whether it's muscle weakness,
whether it's dehydration.
There's a lot of things that lead into it,
but it's always below the waist.
- And it seems to me, either athletes are more prone to it
or older people in their 50s and 60s, perhaps.
- Yeah, you bet. - Or higher.
- Yeah, statistically, it's the majority of people
that have cramps, 60 year old ladies.
- 60 year old females. - 60 on up, yep.
- And that's from the research.
- That's from the research. - All right.
- So for whatever reason, don't know why.
- Okay.
- They probably work harder than us.
Bottom line. - Well, that's a given.
(laughing) - Exactly, exactly.
- All right, so we have that information.
So where's the bottle?
- Here we go. - This is what happened.
This is a true story.
My wife saw this bottle at a hardware store
in LaCrosse, Wisconsin.
And it says, stops leg and foot cramps in about one minute.
So she says, oh, Brad, my husband,
the famous physical therapist, might be interested in this.
So she brought it home.
And I looked at it and I went (laughing).
Yeah, that's not gonna work in one minute.
So anyways, and I looked at the ingredients,
and Chris, you researched this in detail.
- Oh, yeah. - Cause I actually,
'cause Chris was having cramps consistently.
- Oh, I have cramps all the time.
- So I happily gave this to Chris,
and I says, you can try this.
And I think Chris in his head said, (laughing), yeah right.
- I renamed it the salad dressing treatment.
- Yeah, and you can tell 'em.
Give 'em all the details on this.
- Yeah, so this happens to be,
it says proven old Amish formula.
And I kind of laughed at Brad, just like his take
when his wife had mentioned it to him at the hardware store.
And I'm like, there is just no way
this is gonna work for a leg cramp.
And we've actually done videos on cramps,
and we've done extensive research on cramps.
And we've personally had cramps,
just like all of you have had cramps.
And nobody likes cramps.
They hurt, they wake you up in the middle of the night,
or they happen at the most inopportune time.
It's just not a lot of fun.
So I really scoffed at Brad's apple cider treatment.
- Oh, you didn't even use it.
You just put it out on the table
and he called it the salad dressing because there's actually
a little more than apple cider in there.
- The actual ingredients in here are apple cider vinegar.
Pure, organic, unfiltered.
It's got the mother, so I mean, it's everything you want.
But it also has a little bit of ginger
and it also has a little bit of garlic.
And so in my mind's eye, rationally as a pharmacist,
I'm thinking pharmaceutically I can't come up with a reason
for any one of those three things to stop a cramp.
- Right, and I'm thinking, well, this could be one of those
family old remedies that for whatever reason works.
And I don't care why it works.
But Chris, it's nice to know,
'cause he wants to know how it works.
- I want to know why, because I like to tell my patients
what really works and why,
and what we have to be careful with.
And so to me it's important.
And so, but one night I had my cramp.
And I'm like, well, darn it, I'm gonna go down.
And I had to go all the way downstairs
with the cramp to go to the kitchen.
- Which location was the cramp?
- This one was hamstring. - Hamstring.
- Yeah, and so mine usually are my hamstring.
But I do get lower leg ones, particularly in my feet,
usually when I'm swimming, they hit my feet.
But when I'm in my sleep, it's hamstrings.
But moving on.
So I go downstairs, almost fall down.
I get to the kitchen and I threw a tablespoon in,
four ounces of water, drank it down.
- You were still cramping at the time?
- Cramping at the time.
An active cramp for probably five minutes,
and it was not comfortable.
And I'm like, this better, I'm just thinking to myself,
this is gonna work.
This is better work.
I'm gonna make fun of Brad if this doesn't work.
And like 30 seconds later,
I'm walking across the kitchen to go back upstairs,
as I was limping, and all the sudden, it just went away.
- It released. - It released.
And there is no explicable reason.
Gut transit time is 30 to 60 minutes.
So you're gonna drink this, and it should take time
to go from gut to body to create it.
And so that raised a lot of questions for me
at 2:00 in the morning,
which is not the best time to be thinking, but I was.
And that's what kind of bred to this video.
But the reality of it is, so we looked at different ways
of why apple cider vinegar may help cramps.
And there are studies after studies that existed.
Like 11 people here, six people there, 12 people there.
It's hard to study cramping
because unless you do some pretty mean things to people,
it's hard to induce one. - Sure.
- But they do seem to come when we're sleeping,
or at rest, or even during activity.
I mean, people, athletes have cramped during games.
You'll see football games, you see marathoners,
you'll see track runners.
- With fatigue and heat, I think.
- Yep, which makes sense.
Because we can always think
about hydration and electrolytes,
which are kind of the mainstay.
And there's big companies like Gatorade and Powerade
that that's how they make their bread and butter off of it.
But when we kind of looked at some of this
and the amount of evidence that is out there
that studies hydration and electrolytes,
and there's anecdotal evidence probably at best,
because there's just not enough wide body of research
with apple cider vinegar.
The interesting thing about the vinegar was,
and the first two that I found
that were really eye opening to me.
The first one, there was a gentleman
that actually was talking about it.
And he said that he felt that apple cider vinegar
could promote more production
of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine,
which is just something that it helps
with the muscle actual potential and it makes it work.
- So nervous, nerve. - Yeah.
And I'm like, well, that's fine, but we're drinking this.
It takes a long time to get into the system.
There's no way that you could possibly
by doing 15 milliliters of this
and some water and drinking it.
You're gonna raise your. - Wait.
- How much is 15 milliliters of?
- A tablespoon full. - A tablespoon full.
- Yeah, just just a kitchen,
you know, what you use to measure anything.
- Put that in with four ounces of water.
- With four ounces of water, drink.
So that would be the dose for anybody
at anything with apple cider vinegar.
I wouldn't really recommend going beyond that
for a variety of reasons, which you can touch on.
But I just don't think there's any way
we can naturally stimulate creating a neuro-transmitter
to just build up more and stop the cramp.
So I read another article.
I actually saw some Swiss research.
And they actually said that they think the cramp
is actually from just your brain being scrambled.
It's a bad message being sent to the muscle,
the muscle doesn't release.
So you're in this static state
where it's just beating you up and it hurts.
Everybody that's had one knows.
And so when you take this,
I mean, you get relief within 30 to 60 seconds.
What they actually believed in their research,
whether it was consumed or rinsed in their mouth,
and this is why they think it was a nerve problem,
is they think the sourness of the apple cider vinegar
sends a signal to the brain and it literally just stops off
the transmission that is creating the cramp.
So basically. - So those brain signals
saying cramp, cramp, cramp, cramp turn off.
- So whether it's dehydration or electrolyte driven,
they actually think it's nervous driven.
And the fact that even rinsing your mouth
creates the same effect as drinking it
and having the cramp stop in 30 to 60 seconds
seems to be that it's a lot more neurological in nature.
Now, again, this is my opinion.
I'd say it's much more anecdotal.
But that's the only explanation that I can come up with
without more wide burgeoning amounts
of research done on that.
So if there's a research scientist out there,
or a university that wants to study cramping
and the neurological aspects of it,
I really do think that there is probably something to this.
- Sure. - So it's interesting.
And I have to say, it works.
It works well, and I swear by it now.
- Yeah, and you even wrote a testimonial.
- Yeah, Caleb Treeze is the manufacturer
that makes this particular product.
I think it's excellent.
You can get it online anywhere, Amazon,
or you can go directly to their website.
But that said, I actually wrote on their site
'cause I think it's fantastic.
- Sure, yeah.
Yeah, and I just, it was like, he's never gonna take this.
I kinda give it to you as a joke.
- Yeah, I tried it, and then my son had the same problem
and he's a hockey player.
And outside of that he didn't care for the taste,
but it worked for him too, so I mean, it's.
- So we do want to caution.
One more bridge here is if you're on some medications,
there is some medications
you do not want to consume apple cider vinegar with.
- Yeah, you do want to make sure that if you're on,
there's a special medication for your heart
called Lanoxin or digoxin
that helps control your heart rate and rhythm,
and that can affect your potassium levels.
And that can too with consistent use.
I would think for occasional use it's probably fine,
but it should be something you discuss
with your doctor and your pharmacist.
I would happen to believe that most, even pharmacists,
probably don't pay a lot of attention
to apple cider vinegar.
It's not in our wheelhouse.
I had to seek out the research.
And there's not tons of it. - Sure.
- But the reality of it, and diuretics, water pills,
things that basically make you excrete.
Through urine, you can lose electrolytes.
And so when we're using things like this,
we have to be careful, I'm sure.
And the last one that we want to be most careful of
is specifically type one diabetics
that have diabetic induced gastroparesis.
That's basically where your gut motility doesn't work well.
This may, cause it slows.
This is why it might work as a weight loss aid,
which we'll talk about it in a different video,
but that said, it can slow down gut motility.
And for people that already have gastroparesis,
that can be dangerous.
So specifically type one diabetics.
- So if you're a diabetic, type one,
best not to take this, perhaps,
or talk to your doctor for sure.
- Yeah, I would discourage it
because it does affect blood sugar,
which can be a positive thing, but in a type one diabetic
when you're solely reliant on insulin and certain things,
there's the diabetic umbrella,
which we've talked about in other videos too.
We have to be real careful with that.
- Sure, right, right.
All right, so very good.
Here we've got another positive thing
for apple cider vinegar. - Yeah, it's the stuff.
- Yeah, who knows gonna happen with this in the near future?
- Well, I think it works, people.
I'd say give it a shot.
- Yeah, so one tablespoon, four,
I go a little more than four ounces of water
to dilute a little bit.
- One thing I want to touch on too,
because it's actually acidic.
Rinse your teeth afterwords
so you don't ruin the enamel on your teeth.
- Right. - Another big one.
Another big one. - Yeah, yep.
All right, very good.
Take care.
We hope those cramps go away quickly.
- We're gonna stop cramping, people.
- That's right. - Have a great day.
- Be careful in all that you do.
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