welcome back to Norman here with you and
John Nicole sleep washing correspondent for The Nation magazine the nation dot
com
on the line with us a John a it's going to be a tough
great to be with you to you you live in Madison Wisconsin
and and some you know you would think
is watching the media these days that the only Republican scandal going on in
the country
is New Jersey has to do with the bridge but I am Scott Walker your governor
seems to be having a few problems can you tell us what's going on out there
shirt and what if I A said to you that
there's a republican governor involved yen
K front page the newspaper
leader the evening news scandal that involves
the very revealing email I love
top 8 charges that
he put a friends and political allies
into positions for which they were not qualified
and host revelations about secret
politicization up his office and you know
you use up his public position you will probably say we're talking to chris
Christie
are the most the most people would you but everyone other things
is happen today in Wisconsin
statewide all the media front page in Milwaukee Journal Sentinel newspaper
that
it endorsed Scott Walker for
governor and opposed his recall top appalled across the front page stories
about the governor knowing about being involved with a secret
system %uh using his political
appointees people who were serving on the public payroll
to to campaign work which is completely legal
as well as just an immense amount to the
additional information twenty seven thousand pages of emails
have come out as part of a legal proceeding as well 400
legal document and what the show is
that Scott Walker was at the very least
aware of and by most indications highly engaged with
a politicization up his office
that in many ways parallels exactly the kinds of things
that people had concerns with regarding natchez chris Christie
the tom Corbett and Pennsylvania's I cover page in maint
several others for rich richard nixon there there's a lot more documentation
I mean added said its core this is what nixon did and
your YouTube it's very interesting cuz you would go there Tom city you know the
history
and you know about yes secret keeping systems and thanks for this
but this is Eric this is interesting because what is revealed here
which elements which we knew about before
but what revealed here is that
when scott Walker's served as Milwaukee County Executive
the position from which she ran for the governorship his
aid setup a secret routing system with in the office
so that his put his public employees
could sit at their desks any is laptops
that were run through this secret router system and that could communicate
directly with the campaign
and do campaign work clearly what are the dates
sent it by if for right and
that people still counting on I roughly 3,000
fundraising email while at work wow
well now now it to to real quick questions on this and and
I'm expecting you can expanse considerably on
on the on these questions but number one is a federal prosecutor involved yet or
will there be one hand
but perhaps more importantly number two or maybe not more important but
number two it's Scott Walker can succeed in keeping this
a local issue in other words everybody in the state wisconsin knows he's
cropped but nobody else in the country knows
in a conventional wisdom right now at least here in Washington DC from the
republicans I talked with
is and I've had several of them come on my program to debate and various issues
in
and and I say who you gonna run you know chris Christie's down the tubes in a
ghost got Walker
course conventional wisdom is Scott Walker is the guy that the
you know he's he's the the great Savior that the republicans are going to turn
to in
2016 I'm is a possibility could still do that
and just not carry his own state some well in fact
as you well no I no democrat has no democratic ever-present has lost
Wisconsin 1984 so but you don't have a lot of electrolytes there
now not a lot but if you talk about that carries on state on
yeah polling suggests people aren't optically induced by the idea for Walker
presidential run
although he still polls reasonably well in a very divided
state mmm as the governor but here's the interesting thing about
this story some other people now remembered
he was the subject of a John goal investigation which is a
a formal investigation wary County Prosecutor
setup a tribunal that looks into
a host of issues related to prison crimes in
how did that initial John Doe investigation 6 at scott Walker's aides
were charged with crimes
are ones in jail right now another faces jail time
another is several others have a convicted and so you've got a
you have things have already happened this did not go to a federal prosecutor
it continues to be run-through States when local prosecutors
what we know from press reports is there's a second
John Doe inquiry that is now in place
and that takes many the issues raised by these emails
shoelace again to the first one and updates them and
some other same players coming into an investigation
I'll the period after Scott Walker became governor
and so there are in choir is going on and that's that gets the harder you
question time
you're asking can this guy goal national can he be there presidential candidate
I can tell you right now that they're allowed democrats
to her to love it react if I would contribute to get him
as a candidate because the I mean that's what
that you know Jah John I think you're old enough to remember what democrats
are saying about ronald reagan
early 1980 different game they said that about reagan because they didn't
stayed in respect him as a communicator the respective individual
I'm saying this because this guy is caring
a cage that is very very heavy same baggage
is chris Christie but it is a
a guarantee of future revelations right as this whole thing was playing
Wisconsin today
is twenty seven thousand pages the email said 400
legal documents coming out yesterday their study came out
ID chilling the politicization up his economic development efforts
where literally money going to the legislative districts a political allies
and
incredibly yeah in on defendable patter
and it with an agency that has had a number of other
scandals and controversies in state and federal money to punishes opponents and
reward is his allies to select any fun
yeah well again sounds like richard nixon I'll make a quick run to hear that
%uh missus core
acquitting you can like Scott Walker just like him you can
approve or disapprove him politically I am Telling You
that that just as chris Christie has been I think
written out at the 2016 presidential race
not really because what happened there because an assumption what will continue
to come out me too much
to come scott Walker's has a similar problem so
John there are some who would argue and and I think you might be one of them
that Scott Walker is more the creation of the Koch brothers there anything else
that without their money
he would not be governor or at least a lot of things that he's done would not
never have happened
on what does this mean for the Koch brothers in the minute we have left
with a serious problem because you remember chris Christie was also
something & Co Press creation guy who
they invited to their national events celebrated it's a very high levels we're
certainly very excited about
and so they keep trying to spin people up
from outside washington boo are
very reliant on them remember if you're at the state level politics
and you want to bring a lot outside money so he's big national donors
becomes very very vital to your
future mmm it so they have a lot of influence with these governors
it I just in a month but way when you start to play that game
up being different to big-money upstream politics more seriously than
anything else including governing secretary record
and that record comes back to haunt you i think is problematic for the Koch
brothers
yeah missus very eerie interest in a bit there are the billionaire
era of politics and what it has bought hers
John Nichols washing corresponding for the nation magazine the nation dot com
John
as always thank you for dropping by the great pleasure it up thank you
he was brilliant insights new record move back right after the break 15
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