Sadhguru: Science is trying to achieve everything through physical means,
by taking physical quantities,
going by the physical laws.
If you go through physical means,
you will hit that glass wall somewhere.
I think –
in my perception,
I am not a scientist,
I don’t know all of it but in my perception –
I think the physicists are near the glass wall,
they might not have hit it, they are near.
David Eagleman: That’s the unknown question, right?
We have no guarantee how far we’ll get in science.
By glass wall, I assume you mean we run to a place
where we say we can’t go further…
Sadhguru: Where… where the present faculties will not be good enough…
The present…
present faculties of five senses and a brain
will not be good enough.
David Eagleman: That we hit a long time ago.
So, for example, things like quantum physics…
Sadhguru: Is that so?
David Eagleman: Quantum Physics –
you can’t understand it
but you can write it down in equations that make predictions
accurate out to fourteen decimal places.
So, we think it’s pretty good and we can build new things out of it
that we….
We can see things much smaller and much farther away
that we ever could before, and we understand the wondrousness
and the subtleness of everything around us much better than we did before.
But the actual physics, a human can’t understand,
we just make tools to get where we need to go with it.
So, we’ve already hit that point.
And certainly it’s the case with the human brain,
which is made up of almost a hundred billion specialized cells
with thousands of trillions of connections between them
and every second…
Sadhguru: I… I like the way you’re saying it with li… the passion (Laughter).
Like some people are talking about food or something else (Laughter).
David Eagleman: Yeah, well, I’m a brainy instead of a foodie.
Sadhguru: You feed on the brain (Laughter).
David Eagleman: Yeah (Laughs).
But the reason… the reason it’s easy to be passionate about it is because
it’s a system of such unimaginable complexity,
that it bankrupts the language.
We have no way that a human could perceive a system of that complexity
and yet each of us has it.
You know, this is this three pound organ that we’re carrying around
but we’ve already hit that point a long time ago in science,
where we realize we can make new strains of mathematics,
we can make computer simulations
but we’ll never get it.
I’ll never get the brain.
All I can do is take the… you know, the way (Laughs)…
the way that you explained the sixteen aspects of the mind,
you simplified it down to four.
You know, best I can do is take the thousands of trillions of connections in the brain
and make some cartoony model
that my impoverished intellect can sort of get its… get a sense of.
Sadhguru: They’re building a simulator,
brain simulator you know?
David Eagleman: Yeah.
Sadhguru: Henry Markram (Spelling checked on the internet) is busy (Both Laugh) building his simulated brain.
All that is fine,
we are looking at the physical mechanics of what’s happening.
The complexity of what’s happening is beyond the physical mechanics.
See, looking at the physical mechanics of the brain,
the neuronal function and the electric this thing that’s happening,
the waves that are flowing, whatever things happening,
is fantastic
because of the complexity of what it is,
the sophistication of what it is.
It is the gadget, no question, okay?
This human gadget is the gadget on the planet.
Of what we have seen,
this is the most sophisticated gadget on the planet,
there’s no question about that.
Keeping that aside,
but even this brain can be manufactured
with something as simple as a piece of a carrot or a bread.
So, I’m saying there is an intelligence here (Referring to oneself),
which can create a brain.
Why are you ignoring that intelligence?
David Eagleman: I think that’s the heart of science
is to try to understand what that is.