>>> WERE BACK NOW WITH OUR PANEL.
PANEL.
JOINING ME, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY DANIEL GOLDMAN,
THE HOST OF "IN PRINCIPLE," AND
STEPHANIE GOSK AND GADI
SCHWARTZ.
THE HEADLINE THIS MORNING IN THE
"WASHINGTON POST" IS, CHARLIE
ROSES MISCONDUCT WAS WIDESPREAD AT CBS, AND THREE MANAGERS WERE
WARNED, INVESTIGATION FINDS.
STEPHANIE, THEYRE ALLEGING AN
ADDITIONAL 27 WOMEN, 14 FROM CBS
NEWS, 13 WHO WORK FOR CHARLIE
ELSEWHERE, SAID THAT CHARLIE ROSE HARASSED THEM.T CHARLIE
ROSE HARASSED THEM. >> OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE ALARMING
NUMBERS.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS, AS YOU
MENTIONED IN THE HEADLINE, IS THAT MANAGERS WERE ALERTED.IS
THAT MANAGERS WERE ALERTED. THIS HAS BEEN A PART OF THESE
STORIES FROM THE BEGINNING,
WHETHER IT IS CBS OR HERE AT
NBC.
WAS THEIR MANAGEMENT INFORMED?
WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?
SPECIFICALLY, AND MOST RECENTLY,
THE EXECUTIVE -- FORMER EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF "CBS THIS
MORNING" SAID HE WAS TOLD BY AN
EMPLOYEE THAT SHE HAD BEEN
KISSED -- OR TRIED TO BE KISSED BY CHARLIE ROSE AT A HOLIDAYSED
BY CHARLIE ROSE AT A HOLIDAY PARTY.
PARTY.
SHE ASKED HIM NOT TO TELL MANAGEMENT, AND HE DID NOT.
HE SAID IN AN E-MAIL TO THE
"WASHINGTON POST" THAT HE THEN
CONFRONTED CHARLIE ROSE BUT DID
NOT GIVE SPECIFICS ON THAT.
MORE RECENTLY, THE CURRENT
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF "CBS THIS
MORNING," TOLD IN THE
"WASHINGTON POST," THAT HE WAS
TOLD OF REPORTS.
>> WHEN YOU GO TO A MANAGER AND
SAY, "THIS HAPPENED TO ME," EVEN
IF YOU SAY, "DONT TELL THE
BRASS" -- BECAUSE A LOT OF WOMEN
WOULD DO IT.
THEY DONT WANT A FEDERAL CASE.
>> YOU DONT WANT A REPUTATION
AS A TROUBLE MANAGER.
>> AS A MINNESOTA JEREANAGER, YO
TO DO IT.
TO DO IT.
CBS SAID, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH OUR POLICY, FOR HIM TO DEAL WITH
IT.
IT.
ITS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW.NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
LAW.
DAN, ONCE MANAGEMENT KNOWS, MANAGEMENT KNOWS.ENT KNOWS,
MANAGEMENT KNOWS. THE KNOWLEDGE IS IMPUTED TO THE
COMPANY.
COMPANY.
IT PUTS THE COMPANY IN A BAD POSITION, IF THE MANAGER -- YOU
CANT AGREE NOT TO TELL.
EVEN IF YOU DO AGREE NOT TO
TELL, ITS THE SAME AS THE CEO
KNOWING.
KNOWING.
THAT MOMENT THE YOUNG WOMAN COMES AND SAYS, I HAVE TO TELL
YOU SOMETHING, RIGHT?
THATS HOW THE PROBLEMS GET
STARTED.
THE TRAIL OF TEARS, IF YOU WILL, OUTLINED IN THIS ARTICLE, OFILL,
OUTLINED IN THIS ARTICLE, OF WHATS HAPPENED TO THE YOUNG
WOMENS CAREERS, HOW THEY GOT,
YOU KNOW, PERCEIVED AT THE
OFFICE AND WHAT THEY HAD TO DO
TO GET ALONG WITH CHARLIE, WHO
IS DENYING IT, AGAIN.
HE ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING,
YOUR STORY IS UNFAIR AND
INACCURATE.
INACCURATE.
IT IS HEARTBREAKING. >> THERES A WOMAN THAT GOES ON
THE RECORD IN THIS ARTICLE,
BROOKS HARRIS, WHO SAYS AT 24,
SHE STARTS WORKING FOR CHARLIE
ROSE.
ROSE.
24 YEARS OLD.
BASICALLY JUST OUT OF COLLEGE.
SHE WANTS A CAREER IN THE
BUSINESS.
CHARLIE ROSE STARTS SHOWERING
HER WITH ATTENTION.
TAKING HER OUT FOR MEALS. THE STAFF OF THE SHOW SEE IT
HAPPENING.
HAPPENING.
IN FACT, NOTICE IT AND THINK, IT ISNT RIGHT.TICE IT AND THINK, IT
ISNT RIGHT.
SHE JUST WANTS HER CAREER.
SUDDENLY, SHES IN THIS POSITION WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL,N
WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, WE KNOW WHY SHES GETTING THAT.
WE KNOW WHY SHE GOT --
>> THATS THE POISON.
>> WE KNOW WHY SHE GOT THE JOB
AT PBS.
AT PBS. CHARLIE LIKES HER.
NOW, THIS WOMAN WHO JUST WANTS
TO MAKE IT, WANTS TO BE
RESPECTED FOR HER -- ON HER
MERITS, IS NOW IN THIS CONTEXT
OF, WE KNOW WHY SHE DID IT.
A YOUNG MAN WHO COMES IN AT 24
DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THIS IS AT THE HEART OF THE
PROBLEM AND WHY THIS IS A
QUESTION ANDEN ISSUE OF INEQUALI
IN THE WORKPLACE.
>> CBS NEWS SAID, SINCE
TERMINATING CHARLIE, WEVE
WORKED TO STRENGTHEN EXISTING
SYSTEMS TO ENSURE A SAFE
ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERYONE CAN
DO THEIR BEST WORK.
SOME OF THE ACTIONS WEVE TAKEN,
THEY WRITE, HAVE BEEN REPORTED
PUBLICLY, AND SOME HAVE NOT.
WE TAKE SWIFT ACTION WHEN WE
LEARN ABOUT UNACCEPTABLE
BEHAVIOR.
BEHAVIOR. THAT SAID, WE CANNOT CORROBORATE
OR CONFIRM THE SITUATIONS
DESCRIBED.
DESCRIBED.
WE LOOK FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THE WORKPLACEOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THE
WORKPLACE WORKPLACE.
WORKPLACE. THIS PERIOD OF REFLECTION AND
ACTION HAS BEEN IMPORTANT.
WERE NOT DONE WITH THE PROCESS.
>>> GADI, CAN WE LIGHTEN THINGS
UP AND TALK ABOUT THE BOY
SCOUTS, WHO ARE NOW JUST THE
SCOUTS?
SCOUTS?
>> THE SCOUTS BSA.
THEYRE RE-BRANDING THEMSELVES AS SCOUTS BSA, BUT BSA STILLS
AS SCOUTS BSA, BUT BSA STILL STANDS FOR BOY SCOUTS OF
AMERICA.
AMERICA.
WEVE SEEN THEIR NUMBERS
DROPPING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.NG OVER THE LAST FEW
YEARS.
THEYRE SAYING THIS IS NOT A MARKETING EMPLOY.S IS NOT A
MARKETING EMPLOY. THEYRE SAY
THEYRE SAY -- PLOY.
-- PLOY. THEY WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE.
>> THEYRE BRINGING GIRLS INTO
BOY SCOUTS.
BOY SCOUTS.
>> 3,000 GIRLS HAVE SIGNED UP TO
BECOME BOY SCOUTS -- BSA.
TO BECOME SCOUTS.
>> SCOUTS. >> BUT THERE ARE ALREADY GIRLS
IN SCOUTING.
IN SCOUTING. THEYRE CALLED GIRL SCOUTS, YOU
KNOW?
KNOW?
>> RIGHT.
>> THE GIRL SCOUTS DONT SEEM TOO PLEASED ABOUT THE BOY SCOUTS
NOW SAYING, HEY, GIRLS, COME
OVER HERE.
OVER HERE.
>> WHO IS GOING TO SELL THE COOKIES?S GOING TO SELL THE
COOKIES?
>> EXACTLY! >> THE GIRL SCOUTS THINK THE BOY
SCOUTS HAVE BEEN FLAILING.
THE GIRL SCOUTS ARE, LIKE, WERE
DOING FINE AND HAVE BEEN
SERVICING GIRLS HOW MANY YEARS?
>> BOY SCOUTS WERE ESTABLISHED
IN 1910.
IN 1910. GIRL SCOUTS, 1912.
BOTH HAVE BEEN AROUND OVER 100
YEARS.
YEARS. THIS DISCUSSION WE SHOULD HAVE
OVER GIRL SCOUT COOKIES.
>> VERY NICE.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. EXCELLENT.
EXCELLENT. >> ALL KINDS OF GIRL SCOUT
COOKIES.
COOKIES. SHORTBREAD.
SHORTBREAD. SAMOAS.
SAMOAS.
>> THIN MINTS. >> SAMOAS ARE THE BEST.
>> WHY DONT THEY COMBINE?
WHY DONT THEY COME TOGETHER AND
BECOME JUST THE SCOUTS.
LETS JUST ALL GET ALONG AND
HAVE IT WORK OUT.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND LITTLE
BOYS?
BOYS? >> THE GIRL SCOUTS DONT WANT
IT.
IT.
PEOPLE THINK IT IS A PC MOVER, TO DROP "BOY," BUT WHAT HAPPENED
HERE, IS BOYS WANTED MORE
MEMBERS.
MEMBERS.
GIRLS, WANT THE EAGLE SCOUT TITLE? WANT THE EAGLE SCOUT
TITLE?
THE GIRL SCOUTS WERE, LIKE, HEY,
STAY IN YOUR LANE?
>> EXACTLY.
>> THATS THE PROBLEM.
GIRL SCOUTS, COOKIES.
BOY SCOUTS HAVE THE EAGLE SCOUT.
GIRL SCOUTS WE TALKED TO SAID,
LOOK, GETTING A GOLD AWARD IS
JUST AS HARD AS BECOMING AN EAGLE SCOUT. AS BECOMING AN
EAGLE SCOUT.
IN FACT, YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE BUYING THESE COOKIES, THEY WERE
TALKING TO US ABOUT STORIES
WHERE, YOU KNOW, AN EAGLE
PROJECT WOULD CULMINATE IN BOY
SCOUTS BUILDING A BENCH IN A
PARK.
PARK.
THE PARK WAS BUILT BY GIRL
SCOUTS ON THEIR GOLD AWARD. >> WOW.ON THEIR GOLD AWARD.
>> WOW. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. IT CAUSES FRUSTRATION.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO BE THE
BROWNIES?
BROWNIES?
>> YES.
♪ MAKE NEW FRIENDS BUT KEEP THE OLD KE NEW FRIENDS BUT KEEP THE
OLD
♪ ONE IS SILVER AND THE OTHER GOLD IS SILVER AND THE OTHER
GOLD >> FASCINATING.