THERE WAS ANOTHER POLICE SHOOTING IN FRESNO CALIFORNIA
THAT SOME ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS
FOUR.
THIS SHOOTING TOOK PLACE ON JUNE 25 AND INVOLVED A
19-YEAR-OLD BY THE NAME OF DYLAN
NOBLE.
ACCORDING TO THE HUFFINGTON POST ñ THE CLIP WE
ARE ABOUT TO SHOW YOU IS WHAT
THE HUFFINGTON POST IS TALKING ABOUT.
IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU THE
FULL VIDEO.
INVESTIGATORS,
POLICE, THEY HAVE THE FULL VIDEO AND SAY THAT THEY ARE
INVESTIGATING IT.
WE ONLY HAVE
HALF THE VIDEO AVAILABLE.
WITH THAT SAID LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU.
I WILL GIVE YOU CONTEXT AS TO WHY THEY STOPPED IT.
>> COME OUT WITH THEIR HANDS ñ KEEP YOUR HANDS UP.
>> I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, IT IS HARD TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS
GOING ON.
THE VIDEO IS FROM FAR AWAY.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL
VIDEO BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T
RELEASED IT.
BUT THE WAY THIS ALL WENT DOWN WAS THE COPS GOT A
CALL ABOUT A GUY WHO WAS WALKING
AROUND WITH A RIFLE.
THEN THEY SEE A YOUNG GUY IN A TRUCK AND
THEY DECIDE THEY WILL PULL HIM
OVER AND ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
ACCORDING TO REPORTS HE LED THE
COPS ON A HALF-MILE CHASE, BUT
HE STOPPED AT THE GAS STATION WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE
VIDEO.
THEN THEY TOLD HIM TO GET
OUT OF THE CAR.
SEVERAL INVESTIGATIONS OF THE SHOOTING
ARE UNDERWAY.
>>COUPLE OF
ISSUES THERE.
THEY JUST SAID HE WAS WALKING AWAY
FROM THE OFFICERS.
I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY HELPS THEIR CASE.
THAT IS THE PART WE DIDN'T SEE, WHEN HE FIRST GETS SHOT AND GOES
TO THE GROUND.
THEN YOU SEE THEM PAUSE, AND THEN SHOOT HIM AGAIN.
I HAVE SEEN STATEMENTS LIKE THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE
LYING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT MIGHT BE EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED.
BUT I KNOW THAT IN OTHER INSTANCES THEY SAID
SIMILAR THINGS, LIKE IN THE MCDONALD CASE FOR YEARS THEY
DIDN'T SAY HE WAS WALKING AWAY.
THEY ALSO DIDN'T SAY THEY SHOT
HIM IN THE BACK, THEY SAID COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
NONE OF IT TURNED OUT TO BE
TRUE.
LET'S WITHHOLD JUDGMENT EITHER WAY UNTIL YOU SEE THE
FULL TAPE.
THE REASON I GIVE YOU ALL OF THAT IS BECAUSE MOST OF
THE MEDIA WILL TAKE WHATEVER
THEIR AUTHORITIES SAY AS FACT AND THEN THEY WILL PUT IT OUT AS
IT IS OVER, THAT IS WHAT THE
FACTS ARE.
THAT IS WHAT ONE PERSPECTIVE IS.
THE PART THAT WE
DO SEE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I THINK THE FBI
SHOULD LOOK INTO EVERY LOCAL POLICE SHOOTING BECAUSE THEY ARE
NOT FRIENDS WITH THE LOCAL COPS.
IT IS A TERRIBLE CONFLICT OF
INTEREST.
I AM GLAD THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING THAT IN THIS
CASE.
IS NOT AS BAD AS ALTON STERLING, BUT THE GUY IS DOWN.
BY THE WAY, DYLAN DID NOT HAVE A GUN, AND THEY KNOW.
>>BUT HE IS DEAD.
>> WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS MORE LEEWAY.
WHEN COPS GOT SHOT
IN NEW YORK, AND THE COPS IN DALLAS, IT IS AN AMBUSH, IT IS A
GUY UP ON A ROOF THAT SHOOTS
THEM FROM ABOVE.
THOSE TWO ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM A
SCENARIO LIKE THIS WHERE A GUY HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOT, HE IS ON
THE GROUND, POSES A LOW RISK ñ AND THERE ARE THREE OF YOU, YOU
ALL HAVE WEAPONS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IS TOO MUCH.
I DON'T.
>> I DO WANT TO READ A COMMENT FROM AN ACTUAL EXPERT WHO WATCH
THAT VIDEO AND HAD SOME ANALYSIS.
THIS IS FROM CHARLES,
HE IS A FORMER LOS ANGELES
COUNTY SHERIFF'S CMDR.
HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS.
>>14 SECONDS WAS THE TIME BETWEEN THE FIRST SHOT AND WHEN
THEY SHOT HIM AGAIN.
THE WHOLE THING TOOK ABOUT TWO MINUTES AND 20 SECONDS.
>> IT IS A MULTIFACETED PROBLEM.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RULES ARE
IN FRESNO, BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T HAVE IN THE RULES THAT
DEADLY FORCE AS A LAST RESORT AFTER ALL OTHER OPTIONS ARE
EXHAUSTED.
SPECIFICALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE
THAT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THEIR
CONTRACTS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS SHOOTINGS.
THAT HAS TO BE
REFLECTED IN YOUR TRAINING AS WELL.
IT IS SO EASY TO BECOME A
POLICE OFFICER NOW.
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH EVALUATIONS OF THEIR
MENTAL STATE, DIVERSITY TRAINING, AND THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS.
DOCTORS HAVE TO UNDERGO CONSTANT TRAINING BECAUSE THEY
ARE HOLDING PEOPLE'S LIVES IN
THEIR HANDS.
BUT POLICE HAVE THE SAME THING, THEY HAVE PEOPLE'S
LIVES IN THEIR HAND.
EVEN ON THEIR HIP THE THREAT IS THERE
AND THEY ARE NOT HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
>> THESE ARE BAND-AIDS.
IF WE WANT TO FIX THE ISSUE WE HAVE TO
GO TO THE ROOT WHICH IS HOW OUR OUR POLICE FORCES BEING TRAINED
WHEN THEY JOIN THE ACADEMY.
IT IS MENTAL HEALTH IN OUR COUNTRY.
WE ARE NOT TREATING PEOPLE WHO
NEED HELP MENTALLY.
WE ARE PUTTING BAND-AIDS ON IT, GIVING
MORE PEOPLE DRUGS, AND PEOPLE GO OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE ALL
THESE ISSUES.
IT IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIX THE ROOT OF THE
PROBLEM.
MAINSTREAM MEDIA DOESN'T WANT TO ADDRESS IT.
THAT
IS WHY THESE CONVERSATIONS NEED
TO KEEP HAPPENING.
IT IS LIKE TAKING ADVIL FOR YOUR HEADACHE
INSTEAD OF FIGURING OUT WHY YOU HAVE HEADACHES.
>> A LOT OF THE TIMES AFTER THEY SHOOT THEIR FIRST VICTIM THEY
HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF MENTAL EVALUATION, BUT IT IS NOT
EXTENSIVE ENOUGH AND THEY PUT THEM RIGHT BACK OUT THERE.
EVEN
IF IT IS POLICE MISCONDUCT, THEY SENT HIM TO ANOTHER POLICE
STATION OR SOMETHING.
THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME TRAUMA OF THE
FIRST SHOOTING WITH THEM.
A LOT OF THE TIME THEY ARE NOT IN THE
BEST PHYSICAL SHAPE.
A LOT OF THE TIME THEY DO HAVE
INSECURITIES.
IN THIS CASE HE IS NOT THREATENED BY A BLACK MAN,
WHICH A LOT OF THE TIME IS THE
CASE.
BECAUSE OF CONDITIONING AND AMERICA YOU THINK THAT A
BLACK MAN IS A THREAT.
HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXCUSE IN THIS CASE.
I
THINK THAT FALLS ON TRAINING.
>> I WANT TO BUILD ON THOSE TWO THINGS.
THE TAMIR RICE SHOOTING
IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
THE GUY
WHO SHOT HIM HAD BEEN DISQUALIFIED FROM ANOTHER POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
HE CAME IN AND HE SHOT THE KID IN TWO SECONDS.
IF
HE WAS PROPERLY TRAINED, HE
WOULD NOT HAVE PULLED UP TO THE KID AND HE WOULD NOT HAVE SHOT
HIM IN TWO SECONDS.
HE WOULD'VE
ASKED HIM QUESTIONS FIRST.
REMEMBER IN THE TV SHOWS WHEN
THEY WOULD SAY FREEZE, PUT YOUR
HANDS UP, IT'S THE POLICE?
WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THAT.
IN THAT
CASE HE HAD NO OPPORTUNITY AT
ALL.
IN THIS CASE DYLAN NOBLE IS WHITE, SO THAT GOES EXACTLY TO
OUR POINT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE TRAINING.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US
HAS SAID IT IN ALMOST EVERY POLICE SHOOTING STORY.
THERE
TOLD EVERYTHING IS A THREAT AND WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T TAKE ANY
CHANCES WITH YOUR LIFE.
IN REALITY THERE ARE SOME SUPER
REAL THREATS TO THE POLICE AS WE SEE TODAY, AND NO ONE IS
MINIMIZING THAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT EVERYTHING
IS A THREAT.
WE KNOW ABOUT THE UNCONSCIOUS BIASES, BUT NOT
EVERY COP IS TAUGHT THAT.
WE SHOULD TRAIN AROUND THOSE.
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, LET'S TRAIN AROUND THAT.
SAN ANTONIO
HAS DONE THAT, WE GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THAT.
THERE IS A
RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS.
NOT EVERY TIME EVERYONE SOMEBODY
REACHES BY THEIR PANTS ARE THEY
GOING TO SHOOT YOU DEAD.
I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL THINK THIS IS
TOO HARSH A STANDARD.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT TO ME HAND MOTION IS
NOT ENOUGH OF A THING TO KILL
SOMEONE.
I WOULD LIKE THEM TO ACTUALLY SEE A GUN BEFORE THEY
KILL SOMEONE.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT.
>> IT'S EITHER TOO LATE FOR THE PERSON MOVING THEIR HANDS, OR
IT'S TOO LATE FOR THE COP.
IF THEY SAY IT IS TOO LATE BECAUSE
THAT PERSON HAS A GUN, WE'LL THEN
WHO IS IT TOO LATE FOR?
>> THAT IS SUCH A GREAT POINT, AND HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF IT THAT
WAY BEFORE.
WHEN YOU SAY IT IS TOO LATE FOR THE VICTIM, YOU
KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO KILL HIM, THERE IS 100% CHANCE YOU'RE
GOING TO KILL THEM BECAUSE ONCE
YOU SHOOT THEY SHOOT TO KILL.
THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING
LIKELIHOOD OF KILLING HIM, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT HE HAS A
WEAPON, SO YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TAKE IN ANY PERCENT CHANCE
THAT HE HAS A WEAPON.
WHEREAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND MAYBE YOU
DO TAKE A 1% CHANCE BECAUSE NOW YOU SAW THE GUN AND THERE IS
SOME CHANCE.
I THINK WE ARE PARTLY PAYING YOU TO TAKE SOME
RISK.
IF YOU SAY I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY RISK, YOU ARE
GUARANTEEING THE OTHER GUY IS DEAD WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN
KNOW IF HE IS A THREAT.
>> CAMPAIGN ZERO IS AN ORGANIZATION IN BALTIMORE.
IT IS
WHERE YOU CAN GO AND TYPE IN YOUR ZIP CODE AND FIND OUT WHO
YOUR LOCAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, YOUR MAYOR, AND MAKE CALLS TO
DEMAND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
ALSO ON THE WEBSITE THEY HAVE
DIFFERENT STUDIES THEY HAVE
DONE.
ONE OF THOSE STUDIES IS HAVING IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT
SPECIFIC DISTRICT THAT DEADLY FORCE IS THE LAST RESORT AFTER
ALL OTHER OPTIONS HAVE BEEN
EXHAUSTED.
I FEEL LIKE THESE COPS HAVE NOT BEEN TRAINED TO
HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS.
IT IS EITHER YOU GO IN CUFFS AND YOU
LISTEN TO ME AND IF YOU DISOBEY AT ANY POINT THEN YOU ARE A
THREAT AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A GUN AND I'M GOING TO SHOOT YOU.
I THINK IT GOES SO QUICKLY IN THEIR MINDS.
>>IT IS THE FEAR THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO JUST ñ.
>>LET'S ALL BE HUMANS, RIGHT?
AGAIN, NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR.
A GUY BROKE INTO MY HOUSE, A CRAZY GUY SUPER HIGH ON WHATEVER
HE WAS ON, AND HE BROKE MY BACK DOOR DOWN.
MY KIDS WERE IN THE
HOUSE.
PEOPLE SAY DON'T YOU WISH YOU HAD A GUN?
NO, BECAUSE IF I
HAD USED THE GUN MAYBE COPS WOULD THINK I WAS THE ONE
SHOOTING AND I AM THE ONE THAT
BROKE IN.
I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT.
EVEN IF I HAD A GUN, THERE
IS NO WAY I WOULD HAVE SHOT HIM WHEN HE FIRST CAME IN THE HOUSE
BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND
OF A THREAT HE WAS.
I KNOW LIKELY HE BROKE IN AND IS
SUPERHIGH OR EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED.
I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU
WILL THINK THAT I AM WRONG OR
NAœVE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE DONE WITH IT.
THAT IS ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.