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on the phone it is a uh... pleasure to welcome to the program
darlin gilchrist he is the national campaign director for move on dot org
welcome to the program down
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uh... so god uh...
uh... what what move on still in bed
let's talk about the sort of the unprecedented nature of the pushback
on this uh... so pa and upset by uh...
other are the acronyms for this legislation uh...
uh... the senate and in the house
that this the coordination or maybe not a psych ward nation but the
unified pushback by
groups that are not terribly political
and will leave your collar really just parallel outraged internet censorship is
really what it is opened about a half felt that people
think about it people cannot contain they hate internet had to ship and they
want to stop it
and we've never really seen active like that le monde before let me move on dot
org have never blackouts website in protecting anything and we're not the
first wikipedia never done this
we will never taken political action in protest
so many five to really breaking new ground in activism and that's because
this in that position legislation is so terrible
tell us about the state of play of this i know that uh...
the sort of the the room
going push back over the weekend
uh... caused the white house uh... to come out and say they didn't like um...
a certain aspect of the bill maybe can walk us through that a little bit and
give us a sense of what the state of play is right now uh... with the bills
so what the most important thing architect about reported that the senate
booktitle combo
are but dole by the people go ahead
on january twenty fourth headed for the union to really get back to the room
today through all about making calls and content in your senator to let them know
how do you want me to go on welcome to reject internet censorship
um but yet the white house came out with a pretty strong statement and that they
did not endorse your neck of the shipping ticket not endorse the bill
passed written you pat co-sponsored come to go drop in my client earlier today
showed remarkable rubio who was an original co-sponsor republican dropped
this report
late last week senator ben cardin camaro and original co-sponsor drop-in support
definition both parties note saying that they're hearing from their constituents
hearing from people tend to go and that could you ship
and there was no running from it click on top of the fire
well that's that's a
uh... fantastic and um... um...
take us through our what uh... one what the real problems are uh... with this
bill ameen
um...
understand that in a in a and like incense
we're talking about uh... some form of uh...
uh... internet censorship
uh... but what do you say too
uh... those people
who uh...
well let me give you an example of a clear actually what people about the
lack of that
what say give a blogger yet but uh... the open for reform of the majority
report website
and up commentary usergroup is getting a four mr five two link to another
webspace
if that works out that they went to had even allegedly infringing content
technically uh... you know you don't have the majority report form and danger
and the program length awful in danger of pure west like getting shut down
it was really just like they were barely out of the bath water if we didn't think
someone
could potentially be in pretty good copyright big media companies middle
obviously been compel the department of justice to take action to keep that
place sat down to get that ideal it different for change and or you could
not get that type of stop being able to process payments i mean do you think
they're really
really awful until
for all the people there representing
uh... the very small minority better supporting this bill
we have the people that made a movie like arthur but if i'm going to be a
huge
not summer blockbuster and obviously it wasn't until they got really mad about
that in fact blamed piracy pretreatment that movie plot led the way way way way
way wednesday we telling me the remake of the arthur
was not usually
i mean you've got a you know who you know i i'm glad i went to here but no
one else on the planet they want to point out before
well you've got to the people who are trying to put that bill
don't want to entertain kind of business model they don't want to make good
talking to people actually wanna share if they want to protect that product
info
you know them in the people that they're paying by the ones that are pushing this
bill went on the other side you have you know internet activists likened a move
on six million plus members rocketed awareness censorship you got time to
carry expert you got the part of the internet you like bill clinton
temperamentally deb intercapital it you got the key party patriot enough and
that this is really terrible and probability but are against it swept the
people who are paying preparing to make that move even paying people to protect
their bad movies that what the report
and you know i mean i i i think uh... having spent some time and uh...
what my self i think
uh... you're spot on the uh... you know when they have to go back to their
shareholders when they have to go back to their bosses
and say why did this movie underperformed of the easiest thing in
the world to say is piracy
as far as i know there's
lease e a row
data
to suggest that um...
hires season anyway
pays heard
the business models of these companies in any significant way maybe in any way
at where we cannot meet you want to know what the largest growth being uh...
you're going to revenue per hollywood worked last year two thousand the latter
allied regarding your before compatible at the broken carbon camelot was ripping
your before to content to compromise
because he had had no issues making money so academic inventing the straw
man
and and pirate king
it's really just
you know a way that they can try to sneak through some legislation they
really want to break the internet as it was intended and designed
now have mention as
the national campaign director for
uh... for move on view
you have a pretty good sense of just sort of the way
uh...
the way that legislation gets passed into use
is it your sense
uh... the
the senator
and the congresspeople
co-sponsored this yr came out and support
do you do you have a sense that they really sort of understand i understand
what the mechanics of this are or was it simply
chris dodd called me
we get a lot of money from ah...
uh... the uh...
the lobbying groups that represent hollywood
and nobody's gonna care about this the internet's just a series of two
and uh...
uh... if and there's no reason to worry about this is now like anybody's gonna
pay attention to this
is at least so well happened
yeah i mean i think back to you what happened in class summer you know about
you know how we will not be a property to put away their wallets are part of it
you can order
and they could barely get whatever they want it
what could have been in the pudding that the longer this bill had been healthcare
though more that people on the interconnected if in general have found
out about this bill
the more they hated and the more that they are reaching out to be elected
officials
sort them out there like a customer care in a different point two not to cheer up
on the hollywood lobbyists
you know a former senator dole overvalued lobbyists it's rather than
are killed and another sudhir from real people
when i started at the more more real people
dear positioned magic we started to change everything to do it every member
of congress who split their position on this bill except in their public
statements that they heard from their constituents of this problem
i don't know that that will happen where everyone has been poking fifteen-inch
saying that public pressure
pushed him to keep their positions i mean this is really monumental
now had maybe a little cynical here uh...
and
uh... public pressure was a big part of it
but but to a certain extent are we also just watching
um...
he clash uh...
serve to industries here i mean
you know of google
uh... india
you know fits like agood
these outfits these are no small shakes and mean
the we're seeing and i imagine there's a lot of so silicon valley money out there
and i am agin there's a lot of
uh... sort of the counter lobbying on a on a level that
goes beyond uh... the public i mean i have no doubt that the public is there
but
uh... are we seeing
let me ask is are we seeing
a uh...
immobilize asiana public support that is greater than we normally see because
of these companies relationship we internet users
uh... is that the primary i driving force
or is it also the combination of
public mobility and the fact that we have another very powerful industry
that is also pushing back
i think the fact that company by global and public red hat with a strong
relationship with their member and ken
and you know help mobilize bender definitely something that helping here i
mean come learn october drove eighty seven thousand called the congress in
one day about uh... house version of the universe in search of bill
so that that is the best really happening but i don't want i think it's
wrong to classify this
at the technology industry part of the entertainment industry with the cuban
with a few people screaming at the cleanup is really about you know people
understand that the internet the producer the internet is a teacher of
job creation and of innovation in the community state
and regular people like me who due to the internet every day to do all sorts
of things understand that this truly until we want to speak up about it and
i'm really happy to feed a move on dot org
in at least member to do that that what it is a new enabling it used to do that
begg pool
had taken the unprecedented step to let people that go to with home page
be able to speak up so you know what i i think that it is also keeping picking
global entrenched
for the internet ought to be broke into the bottle in my intricate internet user
begin and end up to be broken
and do you think that uh... we're going to see uh... more
or uh... activism like this from these sites
um...
war is this sort of one of the special occasions because
this activism deals with the with the architecture of the internet rather than
uh... anne issues that are
service of
that flow through the tubes is about the tubes as opposed to let's set that flows
through it
well the particularly republicans expectations of a group of people i
think will be historically will remember
but they do want to have no lobbyists trying to convince
lawmakers
that the internet needs to work in a fundamentally different way than they
were designed and intended
they'll be an opportunity for a company them for internet user to speak out and
tell no big big maybe an unprecedented in terms of the spartan scale
of the uh... outrage and outreach to congress
but i i have no doubt that there will be continued academic issue with one of the
internet itself is threatened
uh... darling gilchrist national debt
a campaign director of move on dot org thanks so much for joining us