was a busy day in the Labour leadership
contest because you had Jess Phillips
withdrawing not a total surprise that
was the first Labour leadership hustings
at the weekend and she afterwards gave
her own verdict on her own performance
as awful awful an exciting day for Lisa
Nandi one of the other contenders she
has taken a giant leap towards getting
onto the final ballot paper by gathering
the the key nomination of the GMB union
she's nearly got the cluster of
nominations she needs it could be that
Emily's Thornbury doesn't make it to the
final ballot paper but Lisa Nandi as I
say has made a giant step towards it
today
Jess Phillips as you said send out that
message to her supporters here's a clip
from that the Labour Party will need to
select a candidate that can unite all
parts of our movement the union movement
the members their elected
representatives and I have to be honest
with myself as I said oh who is would be
throughout this campaign there at this
time that person isn't me well in that
message she is quite emotionally as
Joseph it's quite often does tried to
express her apology to her team for what
she's doing but backing out of this
contest where does the support go that
she's managed to accumulate it's
believed she managed to look quite a few
new members into the labour party where
did the old members and the new members
that she's accumulated go strong
suspicions that some of them could go to
Lisa Nandi but the bulk of them probably
are on a journey towards Kier star mer
and virtually none of them going to
Rebecca long Baily the bigger question
in all of this of course is what is
going to happen with the voters out
there with whoever labour chooses can
the new leader of the Labour Party when
elected pulled back lost support labour
lost to the Lib Dems and others on the
Pro remain wing they lost her
abstentions and they lost quite a lot of
votes in seats like Birmingham
Northfield to the Tories we went about
in Northfield during the election to
talk to people who are thinking of
moving from labour to the Tories we've
been back to ask that same demographic
people who actually shifted to the
Tories who might just pull them
Birmingham Northfield snatched from
labor by the Tories last month during
the campaign Channel 4 News focus groups
suggested a big shift in supports the
Tories was happening
so is labour trying to find a leader who
can do better next time
we returned here to ask two focus groups
of labour voters who shifted to the
Tories who should labour pick focus
groups can't tell you everything
the Dominic Cummings one of their most
passionate advocates thinks they were
essential tools in the winning of the
referendum campaign and the last general
election campaign he's been seen
watching live streams of focus groups as
they come in Commission ballet the
government up and down the country they
would tell you whether a Labour
leadership candidate can actually win in
the country but they could give you
major clues as to the risks and
opportunities that different candidates
bring on Saturday 5 labour candidates
paraded before Labour Party members 1
Jess Phillips is now withdrawn just like
the political strategists do hiding
behind the reflecting glass
we watched the focus groups all of you
voted labour before and then came to the
conservative James Johnson of jail
partners ran focus groups for Theresa
May when she was in number 10 do these
voters have any regrets they helped to
elect Boris Johnson's something about
him I just trust and I just like and he
can't explain generally what it is since
the election he seems to have done some
policies which were more kind of
left-wing than I expected him to do so
he seems to have put a bit more emphasis
on the NHS than I expected I think Boris
Johnson's quote laudable because he's
easy if that's the word you see a
likeable person and he seems more
approachable yeah yeah it's the look of
him as well otherwise hairs a bit messed
up and he just looks like he could you
know you could actually relate to women
you know actually probably get your
points across it's what kind of things
you'd like to see in that that next
Labour leader they've got to be
passionate about what they do a lot of
them talk and they talk monotone
looking at you and he's just going
through you at least when you see people
are passionate they're giving it this
and Boris gives the hand signs and stuff
like any draws you win because you know
what you're thinking this guy believes
in you this is Lisa Nandi yeah we heard
a fishies from Wigan isn't she we showed
images and video clips of the contenders
because it wasn't coupled with a strong
commitment to multilateral disarmament
and in fact I came on your show at the
time that's fine I haven't seen her
before but from these two clips I like
ya more believable relatable recorded
just before she was drew Jess Phillips
got high recognition the Birmingham seat
is nearby and similar praised ELISA
Nandi some reservations I don't think
she portrays what people should look
like when they're going to meeting to
meet Donald Trump the way she conducts
herself she's just really yeah she's
passionate she'd blow over but she's too
working-class Rebecca long Bailey yeah
my thoughts of her was that she was in
jeremy corbyn's pocket she really is a
clone of him she righted corbin tonight
n didn't she so I don't know how you can
move forward when they've been slashed
and slaughtered so badly and someone
just to change get 30 years younger and
change into a female with the same
policies press postpone this one
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alternative models of evolution are
making sure that workers and community
have a real stake in their future and we
can do that by making sure that
political power shifts away from
Westminster she's following what happens
quite angry I don't see a shadow
actually quite anger like a card
believer at this point in an ally would
you really
Emily Emily Thornbury has a few new
another name
yes know the name the other thing that
I've heard is that what the country's
crying out for is a credible and
competent opposition but they can
believe it didn't things tell me over
strong she didn't sound strong and
confident in what she was so not become
fado it didn't come over strong okay
there the difference of opinion other
people so what do they make of the one
man in this contest here start Labour's
Rix its spokesman for three exhausting
years here stahma gets five recognition
does he get high marks talk about moving
back towards the center ground is the
neighbor though specifically saying this
yeah the center of politics
how about high camp comes across more
generally kids Dahmer relax I thought
it's quite weak but called boring thick
for a man off I found it weak it seemed
to be our and isn't summer I don't like
it a lot David Cameron I thought that
sort of just on those briefs bits that
we're seen I'd say he came across as
sort of corporate yes somebody who's in
a good big room yeah very high-powered
people these be brilliant
that's how you come across to me as well
not somebody for the people put your
hand up for each one if you can see them
winning back your vote so the first one
is Rebecca long Bailey okay Lisa Nandi
okay Jess Phillips ki Astana and Emily
Thornberry the top two candidates at the
moment in the as in the betting odds are
Kirsten and Rebecca on baby what do we
make of that these voters said their
minds weren't close to voting labour at
the next election they wanted a leader
man or woman didn't matter who was
relatable and
who moved labor towards the center the
leaders these straying voters are drawn
to don't seem to be the ones the labor
activists have out in front that could
add to the challenge of winning back
seats like their new Northfield