The plaintiff is your former
girlfriend.
You have a child together.
The child is how old?
>> He's 8.
>> Judge Judy: Is that your only
child?
>> No. I have two other
children.
>> Judge Judy: How old are the
two others that you have?
>> About 12 and, uh, 19.
>> Judge Judy: Did you say,
"About 12"?
>> No. He's 12 years old, and
then I have a 19-year-old
daughter.
>> Judge Judy: Do they live with
you?
>> My son does, yeah --
the 12-year-old.
>> Judge Judy: Your 19-year-old
daughter is on her own?
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: "Yes."
That would be "yes."
Okay. So, you have an
8-year-old, and that's your
youngest child.
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: And did you and
Ms. Burke live together at any
point?
>> No.
>> Judge Judy: But you enjoy
visitation with him.
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: Is that
court-ordered visitation?
>> No.
>> Judge Judy: It's visitation
that you arranged with each
other?
>> Yes.
>> Judge Judy: And when do you
have the visitation?
>> Just every once in a while.
We're going through court right
now, so it'll probably be a
regular visitation.
>> Judge Judy: Regular visit.
Okay.
Well, October 2nd of last year,
an incident occurred.
Tell me about what was the
schedule for visitation on that
date?
>> She was supposed to drop him
off with me for two hours,
and so --
>> Judge Judy: What time?
>> I can't remember the exact
time.
>> Judge Judy: Well, this is
important.
You knew you were coming here
today, because if you don't
remember, I'm gonna get the
information from her.
>> Oh. Okay.
>> Judge Judy: She was supposed
to drop him off.
>> Right.
>> Judge Judy: Is there any
reason why you weren't picking
him up?
>> No. She was dropping him off,
and I was taking him back.
>> Judge Judy: Do you live far
away from each other?
>> About 30 minutes apart.
>> Judge Judy: Okay.
So, that was the arrangement --
she was going to drop him off.
>> Right.
>> Judge Judy: And you don't
remember the time?
>> I don't remember
the exact time.
>> Judge Judy: Do you remember
the time?
>> Our arranged time didn't work
out for either one of us, so he
told me to give him a call
before we left, and that's what
I did.
I just called him and told him
that we were gonna be on our
way.
That was about 4:30.
>> Judge Judy: Do you remember
that conversation?
>> Yes.
>> Judge Judy: Now you do? Okay.
So, now I'm coming back to you.
So, she said, "We're on our
way," and it takes about 30
minutes to get there, which
means that she should have
gotten to your house at about
5:00.
>> Right.
>> Judge Judy: Did she get there
at 5:00?
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: And what were you
going to do with your son for
those two hours?
>> We just went and hung out.
I was gonna take him to the
park, but he wanted to shoot --
I took him to shoot a BB gun.
>> Judge Judy: Did you discuss
that with his mother?
>> I sent her pictures of it,
so she knew it was going on.
>> Judge Judy: So, you sent her
a picture of him shooting
a BB gun?
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: And where was
your 12-year-old at the time?
>> He was right beside him,
shooting a BB gun.
>> Judge Judy: And then you
decided to take him home.
>> Yes.
>> Judge Judy: But you decided
to take him home a little early.
>> No. No.
>> Judge Judy: No?
>> No.
>> Judge Judy: Are you sure?
>> Yeah. I'm sure.
>> Judge Judy: Well, you say in
your answer -- I know I got that
from someplace -- you said,
"When I arrived, she was upset
that I dropped him off early."
That's what you said in your
answer.
>> Well, she said it was early,
but it was way later.
>> Judge Judy: What time did you
drop him off?
>> I don't know.
It was nighttime.
I don't know exact time.
I guess you can get that off the
police report.
>> Judge Judy: Well, then I'm
gonna go back to her.
What time did you get a call
that he was bringing him back?
>> He was contacting me after
6:00 already, telling me it was
time to -- that I needed to get
home, that we were --
It wasn't until around 7:30.
>> Judge Judy: That's very
confusing to me, what you just
said.
That was a mumble.
What time did he call you to say
he was leaving?
>> He was text-messaging me from
6:30 on.
>> Judge Judy: So, from 6:30 --
and he had visitation for two
hours --
>> I told him I would come pick
him up at about quarter till
9:00.
>> Judge Judy: Oh. So, when you
dropped him off, you said to
him, "I'll pick him up --"
>> And I text-messaged him,
also.
>> Judge Judy: No, no. Don't --
What was your initial
arrangement?
You see, what he says is you
dropped him off so that he could
have a visit, but you really
wanted to drop him off so that
you would have some free time...
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: ...to have a date
or whatever, which, Mr. Kelsay,
is okay.
>> Yeah, that's okay.
>> Judge Judy: Right?
That's okay.
You're not together anymore.
She can have a date, and you can
be a babysitter.
>> Right.
>> Judge Judy: Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: So, I'm gonna
come back to you.
Did you get the message from
her, either verbally or by text,
that she would pick him up at
about a quarter to 9:00?
>> Yeah.
>> Judge Judy: Yeah?
>> Yes, but I already had my day
planned, and I had things to do,
and I was supposed to be
somewhere.
>> Judge Judy: Just a second.
What did you have to do?
>> Well, the agreement --
>> Judge Judy: Not the
agreement.
What did you have to do --
>> I was helping somebody move
that night.
That -- Huh?
>> Judge Judy: "Huh?" is not an
answer.
What was the name of the person
that you were gonna help to move
that night?
>> Bob.
>> Judge Judy: Bob what?
>> Um, uh...
>> Judge Judy: "Um, uh" what?
Get on your phone and give me
the number.
Get on your phone and give me
this Bob's number, 'cause I'm
gonna call Bob, and you know
what I don't like?
>> What's that?
>> Judge Judy: I don't like to
get up from this bench and go
back to the phone.
If Bob isn't going to tell me,
"I don't know what he's talking
about, moving.
I haven't moved."
>> You want me to call him,
you're saying?
>> Judge Judy: No!
I'm gonna call him!
>> Oh. Okay.
[ Laughter ]
>> Judge Judy: Look at me.
Mr. Kelsay.
>> And it was Bob --
>> Judge Judy: [ Raps desk ]
Look at me.
>> Yes.
>> Judge Judy: Say, "I'm sorry.
That was the wrong night.
I wasn't helping anybody move."
>> I'm sorry.
That was the wrong --
>> Judge Judy: Say to me,
"I'm sorry.
That was the wrong night.
I wasn't helping anybody move."
>> Why am I saying that?
>> Judge Judy: Why? Because --
>> Okay. I'm sorry.
That was the wrong night.
I wasn't helping anybody move.
>> Judge Judy: Okay.
>> I don't understand why I'm
saying that.
>> Judge Judy: Hey, I'm way
ahead of you.
I know exactly what it's all
about.
Put your phone away.
Put it down now.
>> Okay.