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>> Welcome to theCUBE.
We are live in San Francisco at DockerCon 2018.
I am Lisa Martin with my co-host for the day, John Troyer.
John, it is not only a stunning day in San Francisco,
beautiful blue skies, this is a packed event.
Their fifth DockerCon event and they've got between
5,000 and 6,000 people.
We just came from the general session keynote,
and it was standing room only as far as the eyes could see.
>> Yeah, looks like a good crowd here,
a lot of energy.
Docker keynotes, always super interesting,
they always do a lot of demos,
they bring up a lot of employees.
It's not just like a parade of middle-aged executives,
always is super dynamic, a lot of demos.
Really liked the keynote this morning.
>> I did too.
The energy you mentioned was great.
It kicked off with... who's the name of that gentleman
that is one of the rally guys for...
>> Franco Finn.
>> Franco Finn, who has worked for the Warriors,
the 2018 Golden State Warriors, NBA Champs.
So that was a great way to kick it off,
but also Steve Singh had great energy,
their CEO, we're gonna have him on shortly today.
Scott Johnston, and as you talked about their employees
and also customers.
They have some really great numbers.
They've got, I think,
about 120 sessions this year at DockerCon.
Nine big enterprise customers talking about how they are
approaching containerization with DockerCon.
One of them was McKesson, which is a
183 year old company with a lot of staff
that gave a really compelling keynote or a, yeah,
a keynote this morning about how they are moving
and modernizing their data center with Docker.
>> A really nice story, a really an emphasis on trust,
an emphasis on developer usability,
and I liked one of the points was,
once we got the developers using it
it became easier, and I think using the whole platform.
Lisa, I think they hit a lot of familiar things for Docker:
so, developer experience, really big for Docker.
That's they way they started,
that's what they're still counting on.
When Steve Singh got up, he talked about community,
their very first thing.
Over half the people here, first time at DockerCon
and over half of the folks are just using containers
in the late last year.
That means this whole journey is just starting.
There's a lot of white space in the container world.
So developer experience, a big announcement,
preview announcement for Docker Desktop,
being able to create apps off of templates
and things like that but very developer-focused shows
as opposed to some of the more IT-focused.
There's a broad mix here but definitely
a lot of developers here at the show.
>> A lot of developers, as you said,
but also, you're right, it is a mix.
It's IT professionals, it's enterprise architects,
and it's executives and that's one of the...
one of the targeted audiences that, I think,
both Steve Singh and Scott Johnston talked about,
so it'll be great to explore.
As the CEO and the Chief Product Officer respectfully,
what are they hearing from enterprise customers who
have a lot of challenges with legacy applications
that are very difficult to manage
and I also read some stats, they had some stats
in the press release this morning,
but 80% of enterprise IT budgets are spent
keeping the lights on for enterprise apps
which leaves about 20% for innovation
and of course, as we know, organizations that can
aggressively innovate are the ones that win.
So I'm not only looking forward to hearing
with Docker Desktop, what they're doing to
make it easy, easier, for developers to get in there
and play around on both on Mac and Windows
but also the executive conversation.
What are they hearing from the executives
and where is containerization, you know,
from the c-sweep to the board room.
>> Yeah, modernizing enterprise apps
also has been a Docker theme for the last few years.
Microsoft, the big guest up on stage,
they've been a multi-year partnership
with Microsoft and Docker,
putting Docker with Windows together.
The big announcement today, pre-technology preview
of Kubernetes and Windows Server
and the big demo was, they took a very old .net application
and, you know, put it up on Kubernetes
on Windows with just a couple of clicks.
So again, I think that message to the executives is,
"You're very safe in Docker's hands
"We've got the developer experience covered,
"we've got the partnerships."
And then going big on Windows,
I think choice was another theme that I heard ...
>> Yes, it was. Steve talked a lot about choice.
>> Um, to the execs here as well, both GUI and CLI, right?
A lot of the cloud is very CLI-focused, very Linux-focused.
Docker says "We're in on Windows, we support Windows
"just as well as Linux so don't hate on the GUI.
"You can use a GUI or you can use a CLI."
No religion actually too, in terms of Linux versus Windows
but Kubernetes, I thought, was a very big.
Got mentioned a lot in the keynote this morning, Lisa.
>> It did and you talked about choice.
One of the things that Steve Singh mentioned
from an executive's perspective is,
three things that Docker is aiming to deliver.
That sounds to me, as a marketer,
like competitive differentiation.
Talked about choice so that organizations can run apps
wherever it makes sense for them,
managing applications on any infrastructure,
and, as you said earlier, about a few clips,
managing their container infrastructures
across multiple clouds in just a few clicks.
They also talked about being,
they also talked a number of times,
not just in the press release but also
this morning in the keynote, about no vendor lock-in.
John, we hear that a lot, it sounds like a marketing term.
What are you expecting to hear?
What does that mean for Docker?
>> I'm not so sure that lock-in
is always important for every enterprise,
in that any choice you make,
it has a certain element of lock-in
but it's an active argument or debate online
that I see a lot.
"Are you locked in when you go to a certain cloud?
"Are you locked in when you choose a certain provider,"
whether it's open-sourced or not.
Certainly a lot of Docker is open source.
A lot of your choices are protected
and they are really trying to say
"We're going to be a platform that's going to
"service a lot of different abilities to deploy."
The big announcement that finished off the keynote
was Docker Enterprise Edition can now manage Kubernetes.
Not only Kubernetes in the cloud.
Kubernetes on Prim, Kubernetes in the cloud
managed by Docker, but can actually work with
the native Kubernetes cluster managers of the clouds,
of the three major clouds:
Google GKE, Azure AKS,
and AWS EKS.
I think I got all those names right.
But that's big because a lot of folks say "run anywhere"
but they mean "run within our environment anywhere"
and what Docker has done in Tech Preview
is to connect its platform with the native platforms,
orchestration platforms, of the three different clouds
so that you can run on Prim, manage via Docker,
or you can connect into the cloud's
own cluster orchestration.
And if they can deliver on that,
the devil is in the details,
but if they can deliver on that,
that's actually a very nice feature
to avoid that sort of lock-in.
>> And that also goes to, John,
one of the major things which is agility
and one of the things that they've talked about is,
containers today are portable but one of the challenges is
that management of containers has not been portable.
I think they said that 85% approximately
of enterprise I.T. organizations that they has surveyed
are running a multi-cloud strategy
so they've gotta be able to
really deliver this single pane of glass management
so they talked about federated application
or federated management of containerized applications.
I think that's kind of what you're referring to
in terms of getting away from the silos
and enabling organizations to have that portability
and especially as multi-national organizations
need to have different access, different security,
policies may be maintained across multiple locations.
>> Indeed, right. These are global organizations
that are betting on container technology.
They do need access to be running apps,
either parts of apps or services on different clouds.
You might be running a Google cloud in Europe,
you might be running an AWS here or vice versa.
You might have some on-Prim stuff.
We've seen a lot of that.
I think another theme that we'll hit on, Lisa,
along with that multi-cloud portfolio aspect,
is the time to value.
It's been a theme of this conference season.
This last month or two, you and I have both been
at a lot of different conference centers
and I think time to value, being able to spin up apps
within weeks or months that actually work and have value
versus the old way, which was years
and I think the theme for 2018 is that it's real.
People are actually doing it and we'll talk to
a couple of customers, I hope, today.
>> And that's essential because enterprises,
while there's still trepidation
with moving into the container journey,
they don't really have a choice
to be able to aggressively innovate
to be able to be leaders
and compete with these cloud-native organizations.
They don't have the luxury of time
to rip and replace old enterprise applications
and put them on a container or a micro-service's space
archicture, they've got to be able to leverage
something like containers to maximize time to value
to deliver differentiating services.
>> Absolutely. I'm very interested in being here today
and we'll see what the day brings us.
>> I think we're gonna have a lot of fun today, John.
I think they kicked off things with great energy.
I loved how, you know, they always do demos, right,
on main stage during general sessions,
and we were at SAP last week and of course,
one of the demos didn't work.
That's just the nature of trying to do things live.
I liked how they were very cheeky with the
praying to the demo Gods with the fortune cookies.
I thought that was really good
but the demos were simple.
They were very clearly presented and I'm excited
with you to dig in to what are they doing.
Also what is setting them apart
and how are they enabling enterprise organizations
like MetLife, like McKesson, PayPal, Splunk
to be able to transform to compete.
>> Absolutely. One last thing about the conference,
Lisa, is I do want to call out.
It's a very humane conference.
Not only do they have kind of a cheeky sense of humor
here at Docker, but there's child care onsite,
and there's spouse-tivities,
there are activities for if you bring
your spouse or family to the conference.
They're trying to do a lot of things
to make the conference experience
good and successful and friendly and humane
for people here at the show which I really appreciate.
>> I like that, humane conference.
You're right. We don't always see that.
Well, John and I are going to be here all day
talking with Docker executives, customers, partners
and we're excited to have you with us.
Lisa Martin for John Troyer.
You're watching theCUBE at DockerCon 2018.
We'll be right back with our first guest.
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