- Hey, brother!
This video is going to contain spoilers for Infinity War,
so five, four, three, two, one.
J, earlier this year Infinity War completely rocked us
with the apparent death of like half of the MCU,
and I have to say
leaving the theater, I was basically speechless
for like an hour.
But then of course you start thinking about it
and they've already started work on Guardians three
and Spiderman two
and Black Panther was so popular
they have to make another one of those.
Wakanda forever!
So, obviously they're probably mostly just going
to be temporary deaths,
and everybody's going to be fine and dandy.
Hooray!
Except it's also kind of a bummer
because it just sort of like pulls the rug
out from underneath the end of this movie
which was totally epic.
It's like, oh man I wish they were all actually dead.
Wait, but then of course, we can also remember
that not everyone who died died because of the snap,
like Loki and Gamora died on their own terms,
so at least they're still gone.
Except, the more I think about it
the more I'm pretty sure Loki isn't dead
and is actually the Hulk.
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♪ Hey brother! ♪
- To start our story,
we have to back up all the way to Age of Ultron
where the last we saw the Hulk
he was leaving the battle of Sokovia in a quinjet
destined for the trash gladiator plant of Sakaar.
From that moment all the way 'til right here.
- I've been the Hulk for two years?
- I'm afraid so.
- He stays in the Hulk form the whole time,
and when he finally reemerges as Bruce,
he doesn't have any memory about what happened
while he was the Hulk.
- And you and I had a fight recently.
- Did I win?
- No. I won, easily.
- Doesn't sound right.
- Well, it's true.
- Does not remember and this is important
because the last we see him, he is with the Asgardians
headed for Earth in Hulk form.
This is a journey that you wouldn't think
would take that long,
but apparently in the time it takes to get there
Thanos has already attacked the star forge,
this place,
which no longer has the protection of Asgard
because the entire planet was destroyed by this guy.
He had the gauntlet built, destroyed Xandar,
and recovered the Power Stone.
Very efficient guy.
Also possible that he started working on some
of this during the events of Thor Ragnarock
while Thor's sister was running the roost.
Either way, the point is they don't make it to earth
and their journey is interrupted by Thanos
and his children.
Good looking bunch.
They ambush the Asgardians en route
and pretty much kill everyone
except for Thor and the Hulk
who manages to escape via the Bifrost
and lands in Sanctum Sanctorum in New York City
and says
- Thanos is coming.
- That was one of the nerdiest sentences I've ever said.
Literally, ranked.
If you followed that, give yourself a pat on the back.
Now, the reason why this matters is
because it's Bruce specifically who says these words
and not the Hulk and Bruce shouldn't have any memory
of what happened from here to here.
And the reason why this is significant
is because it's kind of a big point in Thor Ragnarock,
and now, all of a sudden just a few hours later
he can just remember what happens while he's in Hulk form.
How is this the case?
Because it's not Bruce.
It's Loki disguised as Bruce using his illusion magic
and remains that way for the rest of the movie,
and once you start watching the movie through this lens
so many different things start to make so much more sense.
For example, let's back up just a few minutes
to where Thanos beats the Hulk in hand to hand combat.
Sorry, but no.
Just no.
Remember back in the original Avengers when he does this.
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And just a few hours ago his time when he does this
(yells loudly)
Yeah sorry, in case you didn't quite take in
what was happening there.
He just tackled a skyscraper sized lava monster.
- Big monster.
- One, are you telling me
that a gauntlet-less Thanos could do all that?
Because no.
And, two, are you trying to tell me that this series
of punches is enough to take down the Incredible Hulk.
Uh, but Ben he has the Powerstone, of course he's stronger.
Yes, I know he has the Power Stone,
but every single time Thanos uses one of the stones
throughout the entirety of the movie
it very much glows.
And you don't even have to be paying careful attention here,
it's definitely not glowing in this fight.
And not to mention we know from strictly a power standpoint
the Hulk is the strongest of the Avengers.
- Banner.
- [Computer] Welcome strongest Avenger.
- Uh, what?
- Compared to all of the other battles
Thanos has later in this movie,
he holds up the least.
Yeah, no.
The reason why Thanos wins this fight
is because he's not really fighting the Hulk.
He's fighting Loki disguised as the Hulk.
He might look the part, but doesn't have the same strength,
and that's not to say no strength.
Loki is still a god, he has enough to get in a few punches
but not Hulk strength.
The same reasoning can be applied back on Earth
where Bruce can't turn into the Hulk anymore
because if it is in fact Loki,
he knows if he transforms into the Hulk
he can't stand a chance in any battle
and it will totally reveal him,
and he super can't be revealed
because they will not trust him because he is Loki.
Not to mention the generally accepted reason
for why the Hulk won't come out
is because Thanos beat the Hulk
and now he's too afraid to come out.
Which, one, doesn't make sense,
we've seen the Hulk lose before, to Thor,
and he was totally fine,
and because the Russo brothers, who directed the film,
said that they were surprised that people thought
this was the explanation as to why he couldn't come out
because it's not the explanation
as to why he couldn't come out.
And let's also talk about some of the stuff
that Bruce just says while he's in the Sanctum Sanctorum.
- He invades planets, he takes what he wants,
he wipes out half the population.
The attack on New York, that's him.
- I'm sorry, how does Bruce know all of this information?
I don't think he does, but you know who might, Loki.
Also this really covers his own tracks,
like, no not Loki it wasn't him.
It was Thanos, he's the real villain.
Ah, but I'm sure you're wondering
what about the Loki that we did very much see die
on the ship.
They even go so far as to have Thanos say
- No resurrections this time.
- Which is kind of like the writers saying like
yeah, no, for real this time.
And like they really want you to believe it.
They even have Thor say it again later.
- Well he's been dead before,
you know this time I think it really might be true.
- Doubling down Loki being dead twice.
We know what's really going on here.
Nope, I'm not buying it.
We know that Loki can be in two places at once,
or even 12 if he wants to.
It's like his most basic trick,
and this is where there is a little bit of a problem.
Typically, when it's not actually Loki
we know it's not actually Loki because he isn't tangible.
Thor even tests this at the end of Ragnarock by saying
- If you were here I might even give you a hug.
- One, great hands by the way,
like that was a great catch.
And two, means he's totally there.
But alas, there is a workaround.
Do you remember that scene in Thor two?
Sorry, just heard that out loud,
you definitely don't remember what happens here
because it was Thor two.
But basically this is what happened.
Loki is changing Thor's appearance as well as his,
so I'm thinking Loki being chocked out by Thanos
is someone being chocked out by Thanos
just not Loki.
Who we couldn't necessarily say for sure,
but this is a ship full of Asgardians
so I have a feeling there may be one or two volunteers.
So if Hulk isn't on this ship at all,
where is the real Bruce Banner?
To which I answer with a question,
where is Valkyrie?
In case you need a refresher, this is Valkyrie.
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(loud crash)
She also does lots of cool stuff later,
but we also know from the director of the movie
that Valkyrie does survive and Thor confirms
that only half of the Asgardians were killed
in this attack.
So wherever she ended up, so could the Hulk,
and Korg,
and Miek.
- Oh Miek you're alive, he's alive guys.
- Yay Miek!
I was worried.
And then there's a whole bunch of other just odd scenes
that seem to also be explained by this.
Like why is the reuniting of Natasha and Bruce
just so weird.
They were like, in love right,
or, at the very least, getting there
and not even a hug?
It's been two years fighting on a gladiator trash planet.
So is it because it's been two years
or because Loki doesn't know what's up
with their backstory?
Although I love this scene,
there's also a kind of similar situation with Shuri.
- Why didn't you just reprogram the synapses
to work collectively?
- Because we didn't think of it.
- Sure, yeah, didn't think of it.
Also an acceptable answer was a fight broke out,
and Thor busted in and lightning was going everywhere.
We didn't know what to do.
And moving forward remember again
when Thanos lands in Wakanda
and basically just phases the Hulkbuster suit
into a rock wall.
Gotta say, he looks pretty stuck,
like he is a part of that rock wall from now on and forever.
And yet, two minutes later
there he is, still in the Hulkbuster suit.
Like, at the very least, I could a situation
where he could like wriggle out a hole or something,
but the whole suit?
How, how?
The suit is busted, it's missing an arm.
There's no way he gets out of that rock wall
unless he's Loki and can literally just phase out.
Guys, I can't tell you how much I hope this theory is true.
Like, even going back to our review,
I think the one remark I had about the entire movie
was that I thought Bruce Banner was just off the whole time.
- I would just say Mark Ruffalo's character, or Bruce,
I was like,
(exhales)
I was not a fan, like
Bruce Banner is very smart
and they don't even use that characteristic of him.
I think, literally, the only thing that he did
for the story is that he was somebody
that Tony Stark would take seriously.
- Like, I don't know, he just seems so stressed out
through the entire movie and it seems like
Bruce's like MO is basically figuring out
how to constantly be calm so that the Hulk
doesn't come bursting out of him accidentally.
Plus, how great would it for Loki to be posing
as the Hulk when they have so much of a history together.
(loud crashes)
Fwah, fwah, fwah, fwah, fwah, fwah, fwah.
So the biggest thing to me
and the biggest question I had attached to this theory
is that if it is true,
what is the implication?
Like what does it mean if we still have Loki on our team?
And the answer I think is Thanos' one true weakness.
His daughter who he had to kill
in order to accomplish his goal.
If Loki is still alive it means
they can use Gamora against Thanos.
But surprise, instead it's Star-lord
who shoots him in the face.
Roll credits.
I love it, but J my question for you and everyone else
is what do you guys think?
Is it possible?
Could Loki still be alive?
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But J, that's all I've got for you today man,
I will see you on Tuesday.