>> James: WELCOME BACK.
OUR GUEST TONIGHT IS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
THE MIGHTY FIGURE HERSELF NANCY PELOSI IS WITH US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ON THE SHOW, SPEAKER PELOSI,
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I WISH IT WERE UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> James: WELL, SO DO I.
I WAS THINKING BACK TO THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, WE WERE
IN AN ENGLISH PUB EATING AND THAT FEELS SO MUCH MORE
CIVILIZED THAN THIS.
BUT WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU
BEEN THERE.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW ARE YOU COPING THROUGH ALL OF THIS?
>> WELL, I CAME FROM WASHINGTON ABOUT TEN DAYS AGO TO
CALIFORNIA.
AND AGAIN I WISH THAT WE KNEW WHEN I COULD GO BACK.
BUT WE'RE COPING PRETTY WELL.
I HAVE MY GRANDCHILDREN FROM NEW YORK WHO ARE HERE.
AND THEY HAVE TO GET UP AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING TO DO THEIR CLASS
WORK-- 8:00 IN NEW YORK, SO THAT DOES START THE DAY BRIGHT AND
EARLY.
BUT IT IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM THAT I WISH
ALL CHILDREN WOULD HAVE.
>> James: WHAT IS YOUR REGULAR DAY FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT,
SPEAKER PELOSI.
WHAT SORT OF STRUCTURE DOES YOUR DAY TAKE?
>> MY DAY IS CONNECTED TO THE PHONE.
I'M IN CONVERSATION ALL DAY WITH MY MEMBERS, WITH THE ELECTED
OFFICIALS, ALL OF US TRYING TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD
IN A WAY THAT REALLY RECOGNIZES WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, THE TEST,
THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RACIAL DATA TO SEE HOW THIS AFFECTING
PEOPLE, AND TO DID SO IN A WAY THAT IS BASED ON THE FACTS,
SCIENCE, EVIDENCE AND DATA AND THE TRUTH.
SO THAT IS HOW I SPEND MY DAY, LARGELY ON THE PHONE FROM
MORNING UNTIL NIGHT EXCEPT WHEN I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF DOING
JAIMTION CORDEN.
>> James: TELL ME WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO GET THAT IT DATA
THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY THE RACIAL DATA,
WHICH I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT FINDING
AND GETTING TO THE TRUTH OF THAT.
WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO FIND DURING THERE?
>> IT WOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT IF THE DECISION WERE MADE TO DO.
SO AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CALLING UPON THE ADMINISTRATION
TO DO.
WE STARTED MARCH 4th, WE PASSED THREE BILLS IN THE MONTH
OF MARCH, ALL IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO
PUBLISH AWARENESS.
HOWEVER, IN THAT TIME SINCE MARCH 4th WHERE A BILL WAS
TESTING, TESTING, IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
AS RECENTLY AS THIS WEEKEND WE WERE CALLING-- END OF LAST WEEK
WE WERE CALLING FOR TEST AND THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA,
CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT.
WE IF WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT AND WIN THIS WE HAVE TO DE FINE IT
AND KNOW WHERE AND WHO IS AFFECTED BY IT.
IT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD.
JUST A DECISION TO FIND THE TRUTH.
>> James: TAKE ME BACK TO THE TIME LINE.
WHEN WERE YOU FIRST TOLD ABOUT COVID-19, WHEN DID YOU REALIZE
THAT THIS, WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF SOMETHING VERY, VERY SERIOUS
AND WHO GIVES YOU THAT INFORMATION?
>> WELL, WE ALL KIND OF FOUND OUT WHEN IT WAS IN THE PUBLIC
DOMAIN.
WHAT WE ARE FINDING OUT NOW KNOW IS THAT THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY AND SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WAS-- WAY EARLY ON,
EVEN WHEN IT WAS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY,
TIME ENOUGH TO AGAIN MAKE THE DECISION TO GO FORWARD INSTEAD
OF CALLING TAY HOAX, INSTEAD OF CALLING IT MINIMIZING IT AND SAY
IT WOULD MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR.
WE LOST TIME.
THE DELAY AND THE DENIAL ARE DEATHS, AND THAT IS JUST THE WAY
IT IS.
RIGHT NOW WE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM THEIR
MISTAKES.
AND SO WE CAN BE, SAY OKAY, LET'S GO FORWARD AND WELL
INFORMED.
BUT IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE BE CLEAR THAT WE MUST.
THE SCIENTISTS MUST SPEAK OUT.
SOME OF US THAT DIDN'T WANT TO APPEAR POLITICAL, WANTED TO DO
THERE BIPARTISAN, NONPARTISAN ARE FINDING OUT THAT IT IS VERY
POLITICAL BECAUSE IT IS COSTING LIVES BECAUSE OF ANY CONCERNS WE
MAY HAVE.
>> James: WHY IS IT YOU THINK YOU HAVE CHOSEN THAT PATH.
YOU HAVE BEEN IN ROOMS HAVING VERY TENSZ NEGOTIATIONS WITH HIM
OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS.
WHY IS IT THAT YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS CHOOSING TO IGNORE
SCIENTISTS, SCIENCE AND TALK ABOUT REOPENING THE COUNTRY, NOT
SHUT THE COUNTRY DOWN SOON ENOUGH, WHY DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, I DO BELIEVE THAT HE IS IN DENIAL.
AND AGAIN T SAID THAT OVER AND OVER BUT THE FACT IS THAT IF YOU
ARE NOT EVIDENCE-BASED, IF ARE YOU NOT SCIENCE-BASED, YOU HAVE
THE LUXURY OF JUST SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE.
AND THAT LUXURY IS ONE OUR COUNTRY CAN NO LONGER AFFORD.
BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS.
I CANNOT-- I CAN'T PSYCH OUT THE PRESIDENT AND WHY HE DOES
CERTAIN THINGS.
BUT I JUST WONDER HOW OTHERS CAN STAND WITH HIM WHILE HE SAYS THE
THINGS HE DOES, AND IN A WAY THAT THEY ARE ACCEPTING.
ONE THING ST ONE THING TO NOT TELL THE TRUTH, TO CONVEY
FALSEHOOD AFTER FALSEHOOD AFTER FALSE HOODZ.
BUT TO DO SO SO REPETITIVELY THAT PEOPLE ALMOST ACCEPT IT AS
PARTIALLY TRUE, IS FLIPPING THE FACTS.
AND WE HAVE TO INSIST ON THE TRUTH.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU CAN HAVE ANY, SHALL WE
SAY THOWFLTNESS ABOUT MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN PLAYED.
HE IS SAYING EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL.
BUT IT ISN'T.
WE WANT TO BE OPTIMISTIC AND POSITIVE, 24/7, ALL HANDS ON
DECK ARE WORKING FOR A CURE AND VACCINE AND THE REST.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT SHELTER IN PLACE AND DISTANCING, SOCIAL
DISTANCING ARE AN ANSWER.
AND FOR HIM BECAUSE OF THE LOST PROFITS OR WHATEVER, TO MAKE A
DIFFERENT DECISION CAN BE DANGEROUS AND COULD COME BACK IN
SOME PLACESES.
WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
WE CARE ABOUT THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOOD OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
AND FOR A LONG TIME NOW BAD DECISIONS WERE MADE OR AT LEAST
OPPORTUNITIES WERE IGNORED.
SO WHAT WE WANT NOW IS LET'S GET ON A GOOD TRACK AND SAY TO THE
PEOPLE, OF FAITH, TO THE SCIENTISTS IT, ELECTED
OFFICIALS, EVERYONE, SPEAK UP SO WE CAN BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
>> James: IF IT IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE YOU FEEL VERY
PASSIONATELY ABOUT IT, WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU FEEL LIKE I SHOULD
BE TALKING TO THE PRESIDENT.
TO RELAY THIS MESSAGE TO HIM THAT I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE
SHOULD BE DOING.
>> WELL, THE PRESIDENT ONLY LISTENS TO WHAT IS IN THE-- IS I
NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO SCIEFNLTS HE IS NOT GOING TO PAY
ATTENTION TO ME.
BUT I DO FEEL THAT HE HAS TO HEAR T AND THAT'S WHY I AM
SAYING TO TU, TONIGHT, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SAYING IT, PLEASE
INSIST ON THE TRUTH.
AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING IS NOT TRUE.
BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS TO UNRAVEL THAT FALSEHOOD THAT AGAIN HE
SAYS WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, AND PEOPLE STANDING AROUND HIM
ACQUIESCING TO IT.
LIKE WHAT?
DOESN'T ANYBODY KNOW OR CARE OR HAVE ANY COMMITMENT TO SCIENCE
AND EVIDENCE AND DATA AND FACTS AND RUTH?
THIS IS-- THIS-- OVER THE WEEKEND, I AM A DEVOUT CATHOLIC,
I BELIEVE CHRIST HAS RISEN AND THE HOPE OF THE RESURRECTION, I
BELIEVE IN ALL OF THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OTHER.
AND WHEN I HEARD OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS
THINKING ABOUT WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT HE WAS GOING TO OPEN THINGS
UP, I FOUND THAT VERY SCARY.
I FELT VERY RESPONSIBLE TO SPEAK OUT MORE CLEARLY.
EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO WORK TOGETHER.
BUT WE CANNOT AID AND ABET THE DANGER.
>> James: WE WATCHED THE PRESIDENT'S BRIEFINGS EVERY DAY
AND WE SEE DR. FAUCI STANDING BEHIND THE PRESIDENT, DURING THE
BRIEFINGS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING THROUGH THEIR MINDERS.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT, AGAIN, WHY ANYBODY STANDING
THERE IT WHILE THE PRESIDENT MISREPRESENTS THE FACTS DAY IN
AND DAY OUT IS BEYOND ME.
BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM WHY HE IS THERE AND WHAT HE THINKS WE
SHOULD BE DOING.
HE IS A GREAT-- WE HAVE GREAT SCIENTISTS AT WORK FOR DECADES,
HIVISSUES AND-- TRP I HAVE HAD HIM ON A PEDESTAL FOR A LONG
TIME.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR HIVMENT I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IS GOING ON
IN HIS MIND BUT I DO KNOW WHAT OTHER SCIENTISTS TELL ME, AND
THAT WE CANNOT ENABLE THE DANGER THAT THE PRESIDENT IS CAUSING,
BECAUSE DENIAL, DELAY, ALL OF THE REST, AGAIN, DEADLY.
>> James: SO WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE SCIENTISTS THAT
YOU ARE TALKING TO?
WHAT DO THEY SAY?
>> WELL, THEY ARE SAYING OF COURSE, TESTING, TESTING,
TESTING.
WE MUST HAVE THE TESTING.
IF WE ARE GOING TO-- DEFEAT THIS WE HAVE TO DE FINE IT THE OTHER
PART OF IT, IS THAT WE MUST HAVE THE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR OUR
CAREGIVERS AND ALL OF OUR FIRST SPOARNDS AND POLICE.
WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO RISK THEIR LIVES TO SAVE LIVES.
AND THEY HAD ONE EXAMPLE IN THE NEW YORK HOSPITAL WHEN THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO GET THEIR GOWNS TO COVER THEMSELVES, THEY WERE
GIVEN A RAIN PONCHO FROM A YANKEE'S GAME.
THAT SHOW DIMINISHED THE SUPPLY.
IS AND YET WHEN WE HEAR TALKING TO ADMINISTRATION T SLIEK
EVERYONE HAS WHAT THEY NEED F THEY DON'T, THAT IS THEIR
PROBLEM.
NO, WE HAVE A NATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE.
I AM AN INTELLIGENT PERSON, IF AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN-- YOU WANT
TO MAKE SURE YOUR-- THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE'RE AT WAMPLET
OUR TROOPS DO NOT HAVE WAR PROTECTION.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE HE IMIPMENT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND
EQUIPMENT TO SAVE OTHERS.
THAT'S WRONG.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL IT A WAR, LET'S PROTECT OUR SOLDIERS
ON THE FIELD.
AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
SO TESTING, TESTING, TESTING AND HAVE THE DATA THAT GOES-- RACIAL
DATA THAT GOES WITH THAT SO WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE.
THE EQUIPMENT SO VERY, VERY NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE WORKERS
BUT ALSO TO SAVE THE LIVINGS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
AND IF HE DID THOSE TWO THINGS IT WOULD MAKE A TREMENDOUS
DIFFERENCE IT SCIEN TICHESES ARE WORKING LARD FOR A CURE, FOR
VARKS EVENS, FOR SOME MITIGATION TO THE DAMAGE TO THE HEALTH CARE
STSM OUR COUNTRY.
BUT AS I WOULD SAY, IT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC POLICY.
WE HAVE FUNDED AND RESEARCHED THE FIRST BILL WITH THAT
EMERGENCY, THE SECOND BILL, MAX, MAX, GET THE MAX.
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY DLING WENT IN HOW IT HAS MANAGED
TO SUPPLY THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF WHAT WE NEED
TO FIGHT THIS.
WHY?
YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM.
>> James: OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS THERE IS
ALSO AN ELECTION LATER THIS YEAR.
NOW THE PRESIDENT SAID QUITE RECENTLY THOO HE WAS AGAINST THE
MAIL-IN VOTE.
WHY DO YOU THINK TRUMP IS SO OPPOSED IS TO A MAIL-IN VOTE
DURING THE ELECTION?
>> I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I WILL JUST SAY WHAT HE SAID.
MT TRUMP SAID IF WE HAD MAIL-IN VOTES NO REPUBLICANS WILL EVER
GET ELECTED AGAIN, THAT IS THE CONFIDENCE HE HAS IN THE
POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I GUESS.
>> James: BUT WHY, WHY IS THAT.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT IS THE CASE, WHY HE WOULD THINK THAT?
>> I BELIEVE ST PRED KATEED ON THE IDEA THAT THE MORE PEOPLE
COULD VOTE,DTHE BETTER CHANCE IT IS FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
I AM A FORMER CHAIR OF THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY
YEARS AGO.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THE REPUBLICANS ALWAYS OUTBID US ON
ABSENTEE BALLOTS.
WE COULD WIN ON ELECTION DAY BUT THE BALLOTS COME IN CHANGE THE
OUTCOME.
SO I-- IT IS CONSIST ONLY WITH THE REPUBLICANS IN THE CONGRESS
AND THE PRESIDENT INSISTING-- IT VOTE BY MAIL IS CONSISTENT WITH
VOTER SUPPRESSION IN SO MANY WAYS, SHUTTING DOWN POLLING
PLACE-- POLLING PLACES, FEWER HOURSES, FEWER PLACES, FEWER
DAYS IN WHICH TO VOTE, ABSENTEE OR EARLY VOTING AND THE REST AND
THAT VOTER SUPPRESSION IS SOMETHING THAT IS TRUE TO THEIR
BEHAVIOR AND PART OF A PATTERN.
BUT WHEN THEY DID THIS, AND THIS REALLY, IF I JUST MAY SAY, LAST
WEEK, NINE STATES TURNED INTO A BODY OF POLITICAL HACKS BY
DECIDING THAT-- THAT IS THEIR DECISION BUT THEN TO SAY WE
WON'T COUNT THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS WHICH
EVEN THE LOWER COURT, WHICH AGREED THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE
ELECTION THAT DAY BUT HAVE A FEW POR DAYS TO COUNT THE ABSENTEE
BALLOTS IN LIGHT OF THE CORONAVIRUS.
IT WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF A SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES SAYING TO THE PEOPLE OF WISCONSIN, WHY DON'T WE ALL JUST
GET TOGETHER AND GO TO THE MARDI GRAS.
PEOPLE WERE STANDING IN LINE FOR HOURS UNNECESSARILY.
THEY RISKED THEIR LIVERS TO VOTE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY.
THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
THE COURT WAS 5-4.
>> James: SPEAKER PELOSI, WE WILL GO TO A BREAK.
WHEN WE COME BACK WILL YOU BE PART OF OUR "LATE, LATE SHOW"
AND TELL.
WHAT WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO DO IS FIND SOMETHING IN YOUR HOUSE, IN
YOUR HOME THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO YOU THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH
US AFTER THE BREAK.
WILL YOU DO THAT FOR US?
>> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.
>> James: OKAY.
YOU GO AND DO THAT WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE SPEAKER OF
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NANCY PELOSI, COME ON BACK.
EVERYBODY.